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Adjustments The deadline for orders will be Mon Jul 14 1997 12:00:00 EST.
Private message from Master to France:
I sent Cal the results. Jim
Private message from Master to Turkey:
>
> Message from diplomat@idirect.com as Italy to Austria, England, France,
> Germany and Turkey in 'ghodstoo':
>
> Can anyone tell me why this retreat is taking so long? Not criticizing
> if there's a valid reason, but didn't John complain about the pace of
> the game earlier?
>
> Cal
>
Just to remind everyone, a player is currently out of town who has chosen
not to tell everyone of his whereabouts. As a result, the BUILDS (the
next season due) are due at midnight on Monday. This request was made
of me prior to said player's departure.
All things considered, we are making fairly good progress for summer
time. I know of no hold ups approaching in the next couple of weeks.
Updates to me on your thoughts on the game and vacation updates would
be appreciated.
Jim
Private message from Italy to Turkey:
Can anyone tell me why this retreat is taking so long? Not criticizing
if there's a valid reason, but didn't John complain about the pace of
the game earlier?
Cal
Private message from England to France:
Hi, I'm back.
I haven't really looked things over.
What do *you* think about the builds?
GKJ
Private message from England to Germany:
I've been away for a week. I didn't make a general announcement about it,
but I did tell Hohn specifically -- I expected he would mention it to you if
it seemed important!
Glad you didn't sail into London.
Do you think I ought to build a fleet or an army?
-GKJ
Private message from Italy to Turkey:
> Message from burgess@world.std.com as Master to Austria, England, France,
> Germany, Italy and Turkey in 'ghodstoo':
>
> >
> > Message from diplomat@idirect.com as Italy to Austria, England, France,
> > Germany and Turkey in 'ghodstoo':
> >
> > Can anyone tell me why this retreat is taking so long? Not criticizing
> > if there's a valid reason, but didn't John complain about the pace of
> > the game earlier?
> >
> > Cal
> >
> Just to remind everyone, a player is currently out of town who has chosen
> not to tell everyone of his whereabouts. As a result, the BUILDS (the
> next season due) are due at midnight on Monday. This request was made
> of me prior to said player's departure.
>
> All things considered, we are making fairly good progress for summer
> time. I know of no hold ups approaching in the next couple of weeks.
> Updates to me on your thoughts on the game and vacation updates would
> be appreciated.
I want to point out that I never received the retreat phase (Jim had to
send it to me separately). As for future delays, as I've said before,
I'll be away for ten days (or so) starting the Friday of the Labour Day
weekend.
Cal
Private message from France to England:
I am torn between A Mar and F Mar. F Mar would help to defend against
further TI movements west, but an army would give me more offensive
capabilities. Also, if I do have to hold the line later, and army is so
much harder to destroy.
I think you should build f lon (obvious, I suppose).
Edi has pleaded for A Mar, for evident reasons. I'm afraid that if I don't
build an army, he's gone.
Private message from England to France:
Hi, I'm back.
I haven't really looked things over.
What do *you* think about the builds?
GKJ
Private message from England to Germany:
I've been away for a week. I didn't make a general announcement about it,
but I did tell Hohn specifically -- I expected he would mention it to you if
it seemed important!
Glad you didn't sail into London.
Do you think I ought to build a fleet or an army?
-GKJ
Private message from England to France:
Why don't you ask Italy what he wants you to build?
The biggest thing at the moment, I think, is to persuade him that it's time
for him to prepare a defense against the coming Turkish stab.
I'll build a fleet.
GKJ
Private message from England to Germany:
>>Do you think I ought to build a fleet or an army?
>
>I can't see any particular use for an army at this time. Am I missing
>something?
The army would be better if my plan is to go get Lvp and then defend myself
against French revenge.
I guess that's not the plan, huh? Oh well.
I'll build a fleet.
Jamie
Private message from Germany to England:
>I've been away for a week. I didn't make a general announcement about it,
>but I did tell Hohn specifically -- I expected he would mention it to you if
>it seemed important!
Well, he didn't tell me *why* you weren't asnwering my press but he did
tell me you had told him you were on baord with the anti-F alliance, so I
spared LON.
>Do you think I ought to build a fleet or an army?
I can't see any particular use for an army at this time. Am I missing
something?
-Pitt
Private message from France to Italy:
It's fairly obvious that Turkey will soon be looking at your centers for
easy pickings. He can see that I have a good chance of stopping him from
moving further west. Even if he does make headway, it' will be tough
sledding, and he'll always have to worry about you in the backfield. So,
unless you have more faith in Hohn than his behavior in this game warrants,
you might consider preparing for the coming Turkish attack.
I reiterate my view of the game: this will end in a draw, unless we allow
Turkey to win it. I do not see France having any chance to win, so I want
to be part of the draw.
With that said, I renew my offer of support and friendship. I intend to
build in Marseilles, but I can build either a fleet or an army. I would
like your opinion of what I should do. It might sway my decision.
Please also inform me how you see the coming year or two. Am I way off?
John, France
Private message from Germany to Turkey:
>> >First, Pitt, I think retreating to NWY is key.
>>
>> I disagree. As you've already seen I retreated to YOR.
>
>Fair enough. I can see the benefits to both sides. I will move
>MOS-SEV, and I'm more than willing to cede a center to Pitt eventually
>if needed. I don't think it will be necessary this turn, though,
>correct?
Correct. It's very unlikely that I will have an opportunity to build and,
since I'm down a unit already, the loss of an SC doesn't cost me another
unit. I will need the SC when it looks as if I'm going to lose another
unit or when it looks like I might get a build (in my next lifetime maybe...)
>Pitt, do you want to see WAR move to SIL, or would you prefer
>something else?
If you're ordering SEV-MOS, WAR-LVN is not absolutely necessary. However,
WAR-SIL doesn't give me all that much help in the near future either. I
think WAR-LVN is the best move because then you can support yourself into
STP (the only way we can be sure you take it next spring).
>> The other issue here is that Jamie hasn't declared for the alliance yet.
Correct. And, until he does, any further discussion of alliance moves
should not include England.
>> >In terms of builds, getting Jamie a build is indeed key
>>
>> I agree and I'm willing to help/allow him to take KIE if he commits to the
>> alliance.
>
>What do you say, Jamie?
I'm waiting to hear on this, too.
-Pitt
Private message from Italy to France:
> Message from uejon@TTACS.TTU.EDU as France to Italy in 'ghodstoo':
>
> It's fairly obvious that Turkey will soon be looking at your centers for
> easy pickings. He can see that I have a good chance of stopping him from
> moving further west. Even if he does make headway, it' will be tough
> sledding, and he'll always have to worry about you in the backfield. So,
> unless you have more faith in Hohn than his behavior in this game warrants,
> you might consider preparing for the coming Turkish attack.
Right now, you stand to have the best shot at winning the game
outright. With Pitt collapsing rapidly on all fronts, you can pick up
his centres and have a shot at Scandinavia and even St Pete's. With
your unit in Tyrolia, you are across the stalemate line and, if you can
pick up any of Venice, Vienna or Trieste (or for that matter Tunis), you
will have your 18 centres.
Hohn understands this and he knows that, if he stabs me, I will throw
that 18th centre your way. I really can't see him able to stab me for
ALL of my centres on one turn. Even if he could, he'd have to use so
much of his forces to do so, you'd be able to advance across the
stalemate line. He'd end up watching you grab that 18th dot just as he
hits 15 or 16. Definitely not in his best interest and that's what I'm
depending on.
At the same time, I'm not going to press an attack on you in the Med so
hard that it takes me far from my centres. While Hohn knows he has much
to lose by attacking me, I don't need to tempt him like that. You
needn't fear me trying to break through your defenses and attacking your
homeland. Even if I could (unlikely), that's not in MY best interest.
> I reiterate my view of the game: this will end in a draw, unless we allow
> Turkey to win it. I do not see France having any chance to win, so I want
> to be part of the draw.
I disagree with the part that you cannot win. You can win unless I make
myself part of a stalemate line. Your part in a draw is a virtual
certainty, however.
> With that said, I renew my offer of support and friendship. I intend to
> build in Marseilles, but I can build either a fleet or an army. I would
> like your opinion of what I should do. It might sway my decision.
I'd rather you built a fleet so we can get on with the business of
building a Mediterranean stalemate line. But that's my (very) biased
opinion. :)
> Please also inform me how you see the coming year or two. Am I way off?
What do *I* hope for the next couple of years? I'd like to build up one
or two more centres and create a stalemate line in the Med that a) you
can't break through, and b) Hohn dare not attack for fear that you would
get Tunis. I'd also like to see the two of you eliminate England and
Germany and face off against each other in the Prussia to Tyrolia
neutral zone.
Once that happens, we can call a three way stalemated draw.
So, am I dreaming?
Cal
PS: btw, whatever happens, congrats on a well played game.
Private message from Master to Turkey:
Oh well, down for awhile, but now back up. Let's go on from here.
Jim