| Press for Fall of 1903 in ruffians |
Movement
Message from France to England in 'ruffians':
England: I think we have the German position well-covered. He must lose at
least one of BEL or PAR this year if we co-ordinate our moves. Since that
would always be a 50/50 guess, would you be willing to help me take Paris
this year since you will be gaining Sweden anyway? We both gain +1. Then in
the spring I will cut Picardy's support and you will pick up Belgium then.
I am envisioning:
F ENG - PIC
F NTH - DEN
F SWE - BAL
A BRE - PAR
A GAS S A BRE - PAR
thus we effectively each gain one, and you deny Russia a build (if he takes
Sweden then you take Denmark, if he defends Denmark, then you gain Sweden.
He and Germany waste each others' time battling over BER/KIE/MUN. I would
then be free with my new build to move into the Med to counter the growing
Austrian presence in Italy. With some patience we can make this a 3way
F/E/(AorR) game rather fast.
Broadcast message from Italy in 'ruffians':
...help... ...help... I am dying... Araagh...
The Pope
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Italy in 'ruffians':
>
> ...help... ...help... I am dying... Araagh...
>
> The Pope
>
Curiouser and curiouser. You wouldn't expect to see this much
"whining" from expert players, would you?? No, maybe you would.
FASCINATING game so far guys, you have me on the edge of my seat.
Jim-Bob
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>hmmm. That probably wasn't the plan, was it? ;)
Brilliant observation, Sherlock... heh heh.
>Nonetheless, I think we can count on Bulgaria as a lock this time around.
Here's hoping I can hang on to everything else...
>I should get Venice, and you Rumania -- what do you think England's game
>is?
>certainly you didn't invite him into Sweden! (I guess he could have gone
>to
>StPete, though.)
Actually, I knew he was going to go there. It was part of a plan to keep
Germany guessing that didn't work out exactly as planned tactically. Have
to see what he says now though, but I think England is working with me as
opposed to against me.
Very interesting board. Are you keeping notes for
>yourself regarding this one?
Only in my head. I keep all press and go through all the moves when the
game is over before doing my end game statement.
>Let me know what you think our next step is. I'll have sporadic
>connections
>for the next four days or so, but I'll do my best to keep in touch.
Have fun,
Cal
Message from France to France in 'ruffians':
I will try to help a bit by moving F MAR-PIE, just support yourself in
holding in Venice.
At least Austria will not get Venice that way unless he moves A PIE-VEN with
2 supports. However, I cannot help versus Turkey. The nice thing about
letting Turkey have the freebie is that he will find it hard to resist
attacking Austria with his new found units, rather than moving all the way
west to Spain. Austria is so much closer.
Message from France to Italy in 'ruffians':
I will try to help a bit by moving F MAR-PIE, just support yourself in
holding in Venice.
At least Austria will not get Venice that way unless he moves A PIE-VEN with
2 supports. However, I cannot help versus Turkey. The nice thing about
letting Turkey have the freebie is that he will find it hard to resist
attacking Austria with his new found units, rather than moving all the way
west to Spain. Austria is so much closer.
Message from Italy to France in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
And thank you for the attack on Pie!
Hope it will save me.
And you are right about Turkey... I will try to survive as long as possible.
And then try to get back.
The Pope
Broadcast message from Italy in 'ruffians':
> Curiouser and curiouser. You wouldn't expect to see this much
> "whining" from expert players, would you?? No, maybe you would.
>
MUCH whining? It was just a little... :-)
And since I am an expert I probably have some hidden reasons for my whining.
:-)
> FASCINATING game so far guys, you have me on the edge of my seat.
Gald to be of service. :-)
> Jim-Bob
Mvh Roland
Message from Italy to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
It is Austria I wanna hurt. Please keep from helping him... And BTW would
you consider supporting me to Gre?
The Pope
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Jim-Bob, Jim: You KNOW that one of the reasons why I ever stab is
because I get
off on hearing people squeel like stuck pigs. I've seen people who've
stabbed me
get very angry when I DIDN'T piss and moan about it. Human nature, me
lad.
Broadcast message from France in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Jim-Bob, Jim: You KNOW that one of the reasons why I ever stab is
> because I get
> off on hearing people squeel like stuck pigs. I've seen people who've
> stabbed me
> get very angry when I DIDN'T piss and moan about it. Human nature, me
> lad.
>
1990's translation: "I'll make everyone think that my mistake was on purpose
that way when I get eliminated I can claim it was all in my master plan"
I've always loved the public-psychology defense. My big question, heretofore
unanswered: do these people EVER win a game? Not just of Dip, but of
anything, their being so busy throwing moves-for effect and all?
:)
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Froggy boy thinks that his master plan is to see his tormentor wiped
out, even if it
means throwing the game to some third party. But what if he's not
impressing
anybody with such a strategy? Not even a little?
Broadcast message from France in 'ruffians':
you don't torment me, Germany, you simply amuse me. I don't need to throw
the game, that is what you are here for. And, I don't need to "impress"
anyone with any strategy in this game; I play how I play, the other fellows
know how I play from other games, and that is itself sufficient -- they've
seen it, including the press, all before. I am content in the knowledge that
Germany will be eliminated long before France, which says so much more about
"impressions" that anything else.
If anything, as a demo game, I applaud your moves heretofor. They show
clearly that no power can afford to be so invested in their strategy that
they close the door to examining if it were correct.
Play on, McFool, Play on!
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Froggy boy thinks that his master plan is to see his tormentor wiped
> out, even if it
> means throwing the game to some third party. But what if he's not
> impressing
> anybody with such a strategy? Not even a little?
>
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as France in 'ruffians':
>
> you don't torment me, Germany, you simply amuse me.
That's the main idea....
> I don't need to throw
> the game, that is what you are here for.
C'mon, I'm the one trying to slow him down!
> And, I don't need to "impress"
> anyone with any strategy in this game; I play how I play, the other fellows
> know how I play from other games, and that is itself sufficient -- they've
> seen it, including the press, all before. I am content in the knowledge that
> Germany will be eliminated long before France, which says so much more about
> "impressions" that anything else.
>
> If anything, as a demo game, I applaud your moves heretofor. They show
> clearly that no power can afford to be so invested in their strategy that
> they close the door to examining if it were correct.
>
Exactly!
>
>
> >
Broadcast message from France in 'ruffians':
> > If anything, as a demo game, I applaud your moves heretofor. They show
> > clearly that no power can afford to be so invested in their strategy
that
> > they close the door to examining if it were correct.
> >
>
> Exactly!
kewl. Then get out of Paris and Picardy. :)
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
Well, that didn't work out exactly as planned, did it? I think Germany
takes perverse delight in doing exactly the opposite of what he says he is
doing. Mind you, France isn't far behind in that either. I sure didn't
expect in being in Burgandy this turn, that's for sure.
Anyway, what can we do with the hand they've dealt us? Obviously, I'd like
to see you out of Sweden as I'm going to have to do more than just stay
even, given the Turk's wandering ways. I can be guaranteed of taking Den &
Kie this turn which would give me a build even after the loss of Munich is
taken into account. I just hope I can outguess Turkey as that would put me
one down even if I DO get Den & Kie. How do you feel about the thought of
my taking those two centres. Given my shaky position vis-a-vis Germany &
Turkey, your being satisfied with what I'm doing is quite important to me.
d;-})
Your odds of getting a build look pretty good anyway. Belgium is unlikely
to be supported which would allow you to take it and, for that matter,
Holland is probably there for the taking just by moving into it.
Comments?
Cal
Message from Russia to France in 'ruffians':
Okay, I'm waiting for an explanation of that support. All I was trying to
do was help you out against the guy who stabbed you and you pull something
like that?
What gives? Is this public press war between you and Germany simply a stunt
and you two are still working together?
Cal
Message from Turkey to Italy in 'ruffians':
Hello Arghh.., no sorry...
Hello Roland,
as I was not in the game at the beginning, I cannot exactly know what
happened before, despite all players say. So, I choose Austria as an ally,
which seems to be the only one who don't attack me. Of course, he was aware
of my plan. I ask him not to bounce you, but he did. He was also supposed to
move in Galicia. Russia say the same about this province. Now I think that
there is a strong A/R alliance. It's probably a french joke without any
equivalent in english, but here we could say that we are the turkeys (the
animals) of the joke.
Even if I'm right, we have little to do, with you in Aegean and me in
Naples:-)
What I just see is, hoping that Austria will try to play alone a little bit,
proposing him Rumania for himself, to ensure the russian fall, and so on.
So, he'll probably do that, and then my support of Aegean to Greece shall be
efficient.
What do you think about that?
Cyrille from Turkey
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Hi Chris,
well I like the way the board go now. It's always the chaos in the West,
with a great winner, England, but he was so small. Russia will probably
collapse. He has already lose two centers for taking just one. If he don't
want to lose Denmark now, he needs his two fleets, so will not gain anymore
centers, will lose Rumania, so will have no build but destruction. With your
armies (you shall build one more), it will be an highway to Russia.
About us, you'll take Venice easily. I'll take Naples and Rumania with your
support, losing one center, I still don't know which one. But, as you said,
I don't think it will be too difficult to take it back.
About the future, I think it should be better to have a No Man's Land in the
balkans, to soon exchange Italy for me (maritime power), to Russia for you
(the land power). According to my desire to be in Munich some days, we'll
find an agreement:-)
Cyrille from Turkey
BTW, I look at the game you're playing GM'ed by Toby Harris. Hard day for
you, isn't it?
Broadcast message from Turkey in 'ruffians':
Thanks for the convoy in Munich. As I always said:-), France is my only
friend.
About the nice messages of the observers, it's a pleasure of course. Hope to
stab you all sooner on a boardgame.
Oh, this message to the observers : when you see two neighbours like France
and Germany, and it's especially tru in Face to Face, you'd better be a
neighbor too, cause you'll probably have many to eat. Isn't it true, dear
old England?
Message from Turkey to Italy in 'ruffians':
Hello Arghh.., no sorry...
Hello Roland,
as I was not in the game at the beginning, I cannot exactly know what
happened before, despite all players say. So, I choose Austria as an ally,
which seems to be the only one who don't attack me. Of course, he was aware
of my plan. I ask him not to bounce you, but he did. He was also supposed to
move in Galicia. Russia say the same about this province. Now I think that
there is a strong A/R alliance. It's probably a french joke without any
equivalent in english, but here we could say that we are the turkeys (the
animals) of the joke.
Even if I'm right, we have little to do, with you in Aegean and me in
Naples:-)
What I just see is, hoping that Austria will try to play alone a little bit,
proposing him Rumania for himself, to ensure the russian fall, and so on.
So, he'll probably do that, and then my support of Aegean to Greece shall be
efficient.
What do you think about that?
Cyrille from Turkey
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Hi Chris,
well I like the way the board go now. It's always the chaos in the West,
with a great winner, England, but he was so small. Russia will probably
collapse. He has already lose two centers for taking just one. If he don't
want to lose Denmark now, he needs his two fleets, so will not gain anymore
centers, will lose Rumania, so will have no build but destruction. With your
armies (you shall build one more), it will be an highway to Russia.
About us, you'll take Venice easily. I'll take Naples and Rumania with your
support, losing one center, I still don't know which one. But, as you said,
I don't think it will be too difficult to take it back.
About the future, I think it should be better to have a No Man's Land in the
balkans, to soon exchange Italy for me (maritime power), to Russia for you
(the land power). According to my desire to be in Munich some days, we'll
find an agreement:-)
Cyrille from Turkey
BTW, I look at the game you're playing GM'ed by Toby Harris. Hard day for
you, isn't it?
Broadcast message from Turkey in 'ruffians':
Thanks for the convoy in Munich. As I always said:-), France is my only
friend.
About the nice messages of the observers, it's a pleasure of course. Hope to
stab you all sooner on a boardgame.
Oh, this message to the observers : when you see two neighbours like France
and Germany, and it's especially tru in Face to Face, you'd better be a
neighbor too, cause you'll probably have many to eat. Isn't it true, dear
old England?
Message from France to Russia in 'ruffians':
> Okay, I'm waiting for an explanation of that support. All I was trying to
> do was help you out against the guy who stabbed you and you pull something
> like that?
I had expected Germany to support himself in PAR and move A BEL to Pic for a
bounce. Given that my supporting you would have left A BUR with no retreat
path a major boon to both of us.
It looks to me like we are in a good position to do some damage to Germany.
What is your relationship with England? Was the Sweden deal arranged? I had
thought so since you'd left STP open and he made no effort to take it. With
some pre-planning we can cost Germany 2 SC this year. What do you think?
Message from Russia to France in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as France to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>I had expected Germany to support himself in PAR and move A BEL to Pic for
a
>bounce. Given that my supporting you would have left A BUR with no retreat
>path a major boon to both of us.
Yeah, well, you might have told me. I had expected to be able to retreat
from Munich and take Berlin in the Fall. Your support means that I can't do
that any more.
>It looks to me like we are in a good position to do some damage to Germany.
>What is your relationship with England? Was the Sweden deal arranged? I had
>thought so since you'd left STP open and he made no effort to take it. With
>some pre-planning we can cost Germany 2 SC this year. What do you think?
I think that he stands to lose a couple of centres at least. Barring
English intervention, I can take Den & Kie off him and, depending on
Germany's relationship with England, he could lose Paris or Belgium/Holland.
I'm not sure how it's going to play out, but those are his potential losses.
Cal
Message from France to England in 'ruffians':
England,
have not heard anything yet. I was thinking perhaps we could co-ordinate
with Russia to each pick up a German-owned center this year (plus you are
getting Sweden). My thinking is if you just leave Russia alone in Denmark,
then he might be willing to use A BUR to attack PIC, thereby allowing both
you and me to take BEL and PAR, respectively. It also means that Russia gets
Denmark in return for loss of Sweden, and that he can take KIE or BER from
Germany in return for the loss of Munich. If we phrase it the right way, he
will see it as a good deal, and we ill both benefit as well.
Message from France to Russia in 'ruffians':
> I think that he stands to lose a couple of centres at least. Barring
> English intervention, I can take Den & Kie off him and, depending on
> Germany's relationship with England, he could lose Paris or
Belgium/Holland.
> I'm not sure how it's going to play out, but those are his potential
losses.
what if we all three co-ordinated? Suppose you were to do A BUR-PIC. That
effectively isolates both PAR and BEL. If in return England leaves you alone
in Denmark you would then be free to also take KIE (using A PRU to attack
BER...if Germany dares leave Munich then you still own it)
, a net loss of 3 for the German
Message from Russia to France in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as France to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>what if we all three co-ordinated? Suppose you were to do A BUR-PIC. That
>effectively isolates both PAR and BEL. If in return England leaves you
alone
>in Denmark you would then be free to also take KIE (using A PRU to attack
>BER...if Germany dares leave Munich then you still own it)
>, a net loss of 3 for the German
I need to use A Bur to attack Munich so I can guarantee taking Kiel. As for
cooperation with England, I have no problem with that if he'll go for it.
The faster Germany goes down, the better I'll like it.
Cal
signof
Message from Italy to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Hello Arghh.., no sorry...
:-)
> Hello Roland,
Greetings!
> as I was not in the game at the beginning, I cannot exactly know what
> happened before, despite all players say. So, I choose Austria as an ally,
> which seems to be the only one who don't attack me.
I do not blame you.
And neither I know what happened before. I do not remember. :-)
>Of course, he was aware
> of my plan. I ask him not to bounce you, but he did. He was also supposed to
> move in Galicia.
Well, I am sure that no one can ever trust him for a long period. He seems
to lie alot.
>Russia say the same about this province.
Russia is too occupied with other matters... sadly.
>Now I think that
> there is a strong A/R alliance.
I do not think it is Strong, but they will stick togther as long as they
have more important enemies.
>It's probably a french joke without any
> equivalent in english, but here we could say that we are the turkeys (the
> animals) of the joke.
We do not have the same joke, but I think I get the idea.
> Even if I'm right, we have little to do, with you in Aegean and me in
> Naples:-)
Exactly, but hopefully that can change.
> What I just see is, hoping that Austria will try to play alone a little bit,
> proposing him Rumania for himself, to ensure the russian fall, and so on.
> So, he'll probably do that, and then my support of Aegean to Greece shall be
> efficient.
Precisly my thinking...
> What do you think about that?
Great! Let�s rock! :-)
> Cyrille from Turkey
>
Mvh Roland
Broadcast message from Turkey in
'ruffians':
To the observers, and also the players if they're not aware about it:
A big Dip Email Tournament is prepared in UK (at
Worldmasters99.diplomacy.org.uk). The organisers expected 40-50 teams.
Some of USA are already present, and of many other nations also.
If you want to join...
Our National Day is just over. 2 hundred and 10 years ago, the Bastille
had fallen.
Message from England to Russia in 'ruffians':
Hello Cal!
I am thinking about your suggestion. The only way I can see me benefitting
also is if you allow my fleet Sweden to move into Baltic as you support
Baltic to Kie. This way I can pick up Berlin next year, or maybe move into
your vacated Kie as you capture Berlin. Anyway, France suggested you move
Bur-Pic, France takes Brest I take Belgium and you take DEN and Kie. This
gives you one build. That should be enough, shouldn�t it? What will you
build if you get one build? Two builds?
/Christian
Message from England to France in 'ruffians':
Hi!
I have been pondering what you said and tried to slowly rise the matter
with Russia. If you also try to convince him into "sharing" Germany I think
he will fall for it.
/Christian
Message from France to England in 'ruffians':
I have been lobbying Russia hard, and I think he would be glad of any plan
that helps us force Germany to reduce by two units. Of course, we want to
make sure that Russia does not grow by two units, but rather that we
benefit. How would you like to proceed with our common units on Germany's
western frontier. I'd made two different proposals and would like to know
which one you prefer.
France
> Hi!
>
> I have been pondering what you said and tried to slowly rise the matter
> with Russia. If you also try to convince him into "sharing" Germany I
think
> he will fall for it.
>
> /Christian
>
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>I am thinking about your suggestion. The only way I can see me benefitting
>also is if you allow my fleet Sweden to move into Baltic as you support
>Baltic to Kie. This way I can pick up Berlin next year, or maybe move into
>your vacated Kie as you capture Berlin.
I like the second suggestion better as it keeps things a little less
confused in terms of disposition of forces. But I certainly have no
objection to your moving to Baltic. In fact, I think it will allow us to
take Germany down even quicker. Go ahead.
>Anyway, France suggested you move
>Bur-Pic, France takes Brest I take Belgium and you take DEN and Kie. This
>gives you one build. That should be enough, shouldn�t it?
Well, the question here is, obviously, what will I lose to Austria and/or
Turkey? With the assumption that Munich is lost, I may have to take Den &
Kie just to stay even. To guarantee this, I'll have to use Burgandy to hit
Munich. Also, I'm not inclined to help out France as the support to Bur was
not pre-arranged. He basically deceived me about this and it cost me a shot
at taking Berlin as I had planned. I *don't* like being out of position and
I certainly don't like being tricked into it. I'd suggest you grab what
centres you can from Germany and let France go hang.
>What will you
>build if you get one build? Two builds?
Two builds would take a minor miracle. If I manage to get ONE build I'll
most certainly stick to building armies. For the record, that would also
hold if I did get two builds. Also, Warsaw and Moscow are the only logical
places I'd be building anything. You needn't fear anything being put in St
Pete's. A northern campaign against you would be suicidal for me - you DO
remember that the second St Pete fleet was build at your request and was
intended to pull your (chest)nuts out of the fire, don't you? <g>
You're safe from me. Our interests really do coincide now and for the
foreseeable future. I'd like to keep it that way.
Comments?
Cal
Message from England to Austria and Turkey in
'ruffians':
Hi!
Are you going to hit Russia? Just a curious question...will he be
disbanding this year?
/Christian of England
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Christian Dreyer och Matilda Svensson
Trollebergsv�gen 91B
SE-227 31 Lund
SK�NE
SU�DE
Ph. +46 (0)46 - 15 15 23
Pop-konto: [email protected]
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Message from England to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
I will be doing as we decided. My moves will be:
F Eng C A Wal-Bel
F Nth S A Wal-Bel
A Wal-Bel
F Swe-Bal
I hope this means I remain your friend!! :-)
/Christian
Message from England to France in 'ruffians':
Whatever I do you will hold Brest, right?
Whether I hit Picardy or not doesn't influence your chances of cpaturing
either Brest, nor Paris. I will not move to Brest if that is what you are
afraid of.
/Christian
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Christian Dreyer och Matilda Svensson
Trollebergsv�gen 91B
SE-227 31 Lund
SK�NE
SU�DE
Ph. +46 (0)46 - 15 15 23
Pop-konto: [email protected]
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Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>I will be doing as we decided. My moves will be:
>
>F Eng C A Wal-Bel
>F Nth S A Wal-Bel
>A Wal-Bel
>F Swe-Bal
>
>I hope this means I remain your friend!! :-)
Absolutely! I can use all the friends I can get! d;-})
Cal
Message from France to England in 'ruffians':
well I had hoped we coudl work together and thus guarantee that one of us
takes either Paris or Belgium. For example, if you were to move F ENG-PIC
then I can capture Paris for sure (A BRE-PAR, A GAS S A BRE-PAR, F
MAO -BRE). However if you convoy to Belgium and support with North Sea then
German A PIC can only support one of Paris *or* Belgium so one of them
falls. See? A lot faster when we work together.
>
>
> Whatever I do you will hold Brest, right?
> Whether I hit Picardy or not doesn't influence your chances of cpaturing
> either Brest, nor Paris. I will not move to Brest if that is what you are
> afraid of.
Message from England to France in 'ruffians':
Allright!
OK, I see your point. I will cut Picardy if that makes you my friend.
/Christian
Message from France to England in 'ruffians':
I am just as happy if you attack Belgium with support. That way, Germany has
the chance to lose Belgium if he defends against me or attacks me directly.
thanks
>
> Allright!
>
> OK, I see your point. I will cut Picardy if that makes you my friend.
>
> /Christian
>
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Hey Christian!
Well, what an interesting question! AmI going to hit Russia? Well, I might
ask you the same thing! Will you be staying in Sweden? -- Will he be
disbanding this year?
;)
Chris
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
From: Chris Martin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Diplomacy: Coming In Second (Was: Re: Republic of Rome)
>I am back in town, and planning the fall move.
Welcome back! d;-})
>I got a letter from Christian asking if I was hitting you this season.
>
>I was, shall we say, evasive. Haven't heard back from him yet.
Christian? England? Hmmm... Thought I had him interested in attacking
Germany. Oh well, maybe he was just spying out your plans for me...
>I suppose I should be sending this through the judge, but I saw you post on
>RGC and thought I'd drop a line.
That's okay - this reply will serve to keep the written record intact...
>We good to go? You want support for the fleet to move to Bul, right?
Sounds good to me. This is the critical turn where we see just what can be
done to take Cyrille down.
>Any idea whether France or Germany might have an interest in cutting my
>supports for an attack on Italy?
My guess is that they are too interested in each other (or me) to bother
wasting a unit to mess you up. But then again, this game is notable for
it's paranoia, so who knows what who is going to do?
Cal
Message from Turkey to England in
'ruffians':
Maybe, maybe :-)
If it was only depending on me, of course. But if Austria stab me...
Hi Chris,
I use this way as last time I send you the following message, using the
judge as usual, I reciev en empty message. Does it mean that you didn't
receive it? Was it a consequence of Rick's maneuver (to change an option
during his absence)?
signon truffians muaddib
press to a
Hi Chris,
so are you back? I move, as usual, A bul to Rum, and hope you'll support
me there.
All the best
Cyrille from Turkey
endpress
signoff
Bye
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
Got your letter -- I did recieve a bunch of empty, no-subject messages this
morning.
All is good for the attack! Vive l'alliance! ;)
Best,
Chris
Message from England to Austria in 'ruffians':
>Hey Christian!
Hey Chris!
Russia might or might not be disbanding...:-)
/Christian
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Russia might or might not be disbanding...:-)
/Christian
hjehehe. That seems safe enough. The real question would be how many will
he be disbanding if he is in fact disbanding at all?
I am open to suggestions on this matter -- what do you see as being in our
long-term interests?
Best,
Chris
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
What's with all the blank emails from the judge, being sent to
"undisclosed recipients"? Is this just so much clutter to be deleted?
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
>
> What's with all the blank emails from the judge, being sent to
> "undisclosed recipients"? Is this just so much clutter to be deleted?
Nope. The judge THINKs it's sending you a real message. (something is
happening) Try not to abandon :-o
Hello Rick,
I thought the deadline was past. I have no news of the game. Is there a
problem with the judge? Or did he not send me the results as I must
disband:-)
All the best,
Cyrille.
Message from Italy to Master in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
I will be going on vacation on sunday (25th) and I will be back again on
August 3rd.
I do not know if I will have e-mailaccess during this time but it is
possible.
Could you please, extend the deadline if need be?
Thanks,
Mvh Roland
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
The deadline is tomorrow. If anybody needs an extension because the
Judge has been acting funny (i.e. sending empty messages to everybody)
please set a deadline extension yourself. The syntax would be
set deadline (date)
I've had more email access this week than I expected, but I don't have
a lot of time right now. I'm presuming everything will be ok.
When I get back to Heidelberg, I'll relate the story of Manorcon.
Rick
Broadcast message from France in 'ruffians':
does anyone have any idea if all the blank emails from the Judge were real
emails from players that had text but the Judge mangled them? (ie anyone
send any real diplomacy letters lately that they think got through but
actually didn't?)
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as France in 'ruffians':
>
> does anyone have any idea if all the blank emails from the Judge were real
> emails from players that had text but the Judge mangled them? (ie anyone
> send any real diplomacy letters lately that they think got through but
> actually didn't?)
I have no idea.
Message from France to Austria in 'ruffians':
was wondering status of the upcoming trip to Baltimore, which is next week!
-John
Message from Austria to France in 'ruffians':
John,
Sorry, thought I got back to you allready! Iwas waiting for you
rresponse -- maybe it was one of those lost in the wierdness lately.
I have to work Wednesday and Thursday, so no hoy on the ride down -- when
were you coming back?
best,
Chris
Message from France to Austria in 'ruffians':
coming back Sunday afternoon. leaving maybe aroudn 3-4pm or so, i guess it
depends on the Dip situation at that point and how tired I am (would rather
drive while it's light out if I'm tired.)
Message from Austria to France in 'ruffians':
John,
Ok, well, guess it'll depent on a couple'a things then -- I may end up just
driving down anyway friday morning/thursday night. I'm looking forward to
it!
May I say that the excanges between you and Germany have seemed a tad . . .
heated? ;)
what was going down with that?
Chris
Message from France to Austria in 'ruffians':
he claims to stab for effect, rather than for gain, but also claims so after
the fact. The fellow really does not have a very good grasp of the game.
I've seen him do it in other games (where there was also no gunboat).
other than that I'll save comments for Baltimore
> May I say that the excanges between you and Germany have seemed a tad . .
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
> does anyone have any idea if all the blank emails from the Judge were real
> emails from players that had text but the Judge mangled them? (ie anyone
> send any real diplomacy letters lately that they think got through but
> actually didn't?)
>
Could be either. I know in a game I master one of the messages was the spring
results. Another one was just a pointless broadcast. I think for every blank
message you get it is Suppost to be A message. Just without the text. So it
could be a late warning, press or results. Course i'm not 100% on this
Obs
Broadcast message from France in 'ruffians':
> Could be either. I know in a game I master one of the messages was the
spring
> results. Another one was just a pointless broadcast. I think for every
blank
> message you get it is Suppost to be A message. Just without the text. So
it
> could be a late warning, press or results. Course i'm not 100% on this
>
> Obs
Germany: I accept your offer (in one of the blank suppressed messages) of
withdrawing from Paris and Picardy. Thanks for seeing the error of your
ways.
signon truffians muaddib
Broadcast
Is the system back. I'm not sure. I received another empty mail, the
first in 3 days, today. Here it is.
Subject:
Date:
Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:07:54 +0200
From:
Juge Diplomacy <[email protected]>
signoff
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
I just got some more blacnk mail -- if anyone was trying to reach me, try
again!
Chris
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Juge Diplomacy wrote:
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
>
> I just got some more blacnk mail -- if anyone was trying to reach me, try
> again!
>
> Chris
I am definitely having messages "lost in the ether"! There is a problem with
the
robot...maybe a screw loose or a missing rubber band?
Message from Observer to Master in 'ruffians':
Rick,
As I'm sure you know, the keeper of this judge is not the most
accessible person in the world, but have you tried to find out
what is up?? I know you're just barely in E-Mail contact at
the moment, but perhaps you at least need to push the deadline
back....
Thanks for GMing!
Jim
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
If anybody wants the orders to wait until Monday because of the Judge
problems, please feel free to push the deadline forward. I just pushed it
forward and pushed it back again when I saw that all the orders have
been submitted already.
I'll try next week to figure out what is wrong with FROG.
Finally saw Star Wars here in England. Did anybody notice that Ewan McGregor's
voice as Obi-Wan Kenobi is uncannily similar to Alec Guiness's voice?
I don't know if they did that using the magic of special effects, or if they
just tracked down Sir Alec (I think he's actually still alive.) One thing
I'm sure of, that is not Ewan McGregor's natural voice.
Kid was lame. They could have done much better by letting the character be five
years older and casting a 12-13 year old. Jar Jar made me start rooting for the
bad guys. Other than that it was ok.
Rick
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
If all the orders are in, why hasn't the turn processed? Ok, who is using
the Setwa*t command? ;)
Chris
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
Just to let everyone know, I'm on vacation for the next 10 days or so. I'll
have e-mail access so I shouldn't need any delays, but I probably won't be
answering e-mail as quickly as usual.
Cal
Retreats
Message from Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal:
Bad season for you... I told you you were overextending yourself!
Me? I'm
happy with breaking even!
Paul
Message from Observer to England in 'ruffians':
Grattis! Du �r tillbaka!
Jag visste det, det �r s� h�r det alltid blir. De b�rjar med att alla sl�r
p� v�rldsm�staren och sedan efter ett par �r sl�r alla p� alla.
Jag s�tter mina pengar p� dig eller Cyrille.
Hur l�nge spelare ni? Till ett speciellt �r eller till 18 sc?
Simon
Message from Turkey to Italy in 'ruffians':
Hi Roland,
Chris is a wonderful player, but lying to all of his 3 neighbours is
dangerous. Of course, each time he's the winner, as long as we fight each
other. I suggest we end this. It's true that I was quite sure that you would
take one home center in Turkey and not move to Greece, as you knew that I
would not leave Rome. But, unless the tactical move of Austria and the
elegant move of France, Austria would have gain Venice, with a chaos in
Italy, giving him great ability to take the whole province soon.
Now, I suggest we play as the same country. You know, in all boards, I'm
looking for a strong ally, trying of course to end the game with more
centers than him. I try with Austria, now I try with you.
I will build a fleet in Smyrna (if you agree). Then, I will support your F
Con to Bul with my BlS, while moving in Aeg. So, either you'll be in Bul,
either I'll be in AeG. As Bud AND Gal are empty, I'm not too worry about
Rum, especially with Armenia. Then, I'll NOT take back Con this year but try
to take Sev. I think that when I say trying, it is sure... So, you'll not
disband, even if Austria takes Venice, and we will be in a stronger
position, cause he will have a too large front to defend, especially with a
weak ally, cause Russia will lose Sweden versus England, and Sev versus me.
I wait for your reply. I really guess that it is our best hope to play
together. Melted as we are, Austria will be the main winner if we don't.
All the best
Cyrille from Turkey
Message from Turkey to Russia and Italy in 'ruffians':
Hi, now I understand what you meaned that Austria is untrustable. I agree.
But, as long as we fight, he'll be the only winner. Of course, I don't say
that I'll give you back Rum or Rom . But, I don't ask for Con, and will not
attack Sev. I think we have still enough forces to punish him. If we
continue to fight, melted as we are, he'll be the sole winner. Do you agree?
Cyrille from Turkey
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Hi Chris,
well the plan was good. But, do you really not like to be ally with someone?
You could easily support my attack in Rum, while taking Bul, as I suggest
(me the fleetsand the sea (with Italy and Spain..., you the army and the
lands...Russia...). Moreover, it was quite predictable that Russia, who ask
me one hundred time (maybe less?) to attack you cause you were untrustable,
accept your plan.
And so, what do you suggest now?
Cyrille from Turkey
Broadcast message from Turkey in 'ruffians':
As Chris say,"Vive l'alliance". Is that the words Judas say, a few...
centuries ago?
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> As Chris say,"Vive l'alliance". Is that the words Judas say, a few...
> centuries ago?
Judas was more looking out for number one, I think. If E/G/T can stick
together
vs. R, Cal will find himself alone and friendless--exactly where he
deserves to be!
A/I have one another, for better or worse, and France gets no less than
he can earn
on his own. I offered him Paris in exchange for Bre, but he turned me
down.
Nothing is good enough for him....
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
Well, I get what I deserve here, I guess. I think you did promise to cut
Apulia's support, but that of course is minor compared to me supporting an
attack against you, isn't it?
Well, not in my eyes, but there you are. Ijust went through the files, and
checked, and you NEVER offered me Bulgaria while you took Rum. Because that
doesn't make any SENSE. (Sorry, I am going to take a deep breath. I can't
believe that John cut my support fot the attack on Italy. What was he
thinking? I know where he lives, too . . .)
Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense for ME to take Rumania, and YOU to
take, say, Greece while I moved to the Ionian? Why didn't I suggest this?
I had been allied to Cal from the start, and thought that he and I were
going to last longer.
But no more. I am a big believer in playing the game at hand. I spent a
long, long time looking over the board before deciding to stab you --
ultimately, it seemed to me that England would grow too strong without
someone in the north to check him. I can't do that, you cant do that, but
now I can set my goals more clearly -- stop England at St Pete and Munich.
As anticipated, you can easily kick Italy out of Con -- keeping him from
retreating to another center is a different matter, but that's just a matter
of time. I am in a worse position, but tactically this is exactly where we
thought we might be. Ok, you didn't help me get here, I didn't help you get
there, but we are both experienced players, and I think we can understand
how that could happen and move on. I hope so anyway.
I guess I am proposing that we move forward as if I had written the supports
for you -- and you had cut the support for me. If we can do that, I think
we are both in pretty good shape -- anything else is going to work to the
advantage of the others, England specifically.
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Bubby! Where's the love? I was so there for you man! Now what'll become
of us?
Chris
Message from Austria to France in 'ruffians':
John,
I am as boggled by this as you were by Germany's move. What possible good
can it do you to keep me from taking Venice? Just as I am getting geared up
to go after Germany as well. Dang. Drop me a line and explain, if you
don't mind -- I mean, jeez! What does it gain you? I almost moved to
Tuscany, and wouldn't that've sucked for you!
Chris
Message from Austria to Italy in 'ruffians':
Well, THAT didn't go according to plan . . . ;)
Any chance that we can achieve detante? I have a plan where by you regain
rome and keep at least Con and maybe another Turkish center -- Ok, I do get
Venice out of the deal, but doesn't seem unreasonable, given the
circumstances . . .
Lets re-open the those lines of communication -- I apologize for clamming up
after the stab, but RL has been a bear lately.
Best,
Chris
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
"As Chris say,"Vive l'alliance". Is that the words Judas say, a few...
> centuries ago?"
Well, Cyrille, what can i say? I didn't say <which> alliance . .
;)
Message from Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
Hi again Cal:
I'll make a deal with you. You retreat someplace else than Hel
(Skag or otb)
and yank A Bur this Winter. I will stay out of Sil and Pru, giving you
a fighting
chance vs. Turkey. Fair enough?
Paul
P.S. Whatever you do, you will never find me to be an "easy mark."
Remember
that. I take time to conquer, and that buys time for others to conquer
you.
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
Christian: You did a nice job reducing the Russian threat to the
centerboard, and
you've given me time to manouver.
So now what? You can build fleets in Lpl and Edi, and send them to
Iri and
Nwg. Please avoid sending another fleet to Nth Sea, and we can
cooperate vs.
France and Russia! I need "space" within which to manouver.
In the Spring, my F Kie can support your F Den-Balt. Or, you can
support my
F Kie-Baltic. We can keep up the pressure on France around Bre, until
you have
time to send a supported move to MAO. My idea is to move A Bel-Bur
supported
by A Mun, so that Gas can be cut in the Fall. A Pic can support my A
Par. A Paris
can support your A Wales-Bre if you like!
Let me know your favored course of action!
Paul
Message from Italy to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
I agree with you! We have to start cooperate now.
And I will go with your plan.
But how about the situation in Italy? What are you planning to do with your
fleet?
It would be much more useful if it could be in Ion or later Adr.
The Pope
Message from Italy to Turkey and Russia in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
I will do all I can to stop Austria from taking any more centers from me.
And I would be glad if we could cooperate.
The Pope
Message from Italy to Austria in 'ruffians':
> Well, THAT didn't go according to plan . . . ;)
>
I am quite happy with the results. :-)
> Any chance that we can achieve detante? I have a plan where by you regain
> rome and keep at least Con and maybe another Turkish center -- Ok, I do get
> Venice out of the deal, but doesn't seem unreasonable, given the
> circumstances . . .
>
The deal is that I get Rome and lose Ven?
And you gain Ven and Bul I guess... Sounds like a deal I would get from you,
indeed.
> Lets re-open the those lines of communication -- I apologize for clamming up
> after the stab, but RL has been a bear lately.
>
I am all for communication. But I am more skeptical about you than ever.
But if you come up with something that I would like, maybe...
For instance a complete withdraw of your troops from the area around Ven.
> Best,
>
> Chris
The Pope
Broadcast message from Italy in 'ruffians':
Any of you guys ever heard of the "let�s-trade-capitals-startegy"?
It is a soon to be famous Turkish-Italian opening. :-)
Mvh Roland
Message from Austria to Italy in 'ruffians':
Roland,
More skeptical than ever? I didn't think that was possible? ;)
A complete withdrawl, hmm? Well, I don't see that happening in the spring,
though possibly in the fall.
Is that your baseline for re-newed negotiations, really? I am in earnest
when I say that I believe that we can work together in this game, if you are
willing.
Let me know.
Mvh
Chris
Broadcast message from France in 'ruffians':
> Any of you guys ever heard of the "let�s-trade-capitals-startegy"?
> It is a soon to be famous Turkish-Italian opening. :-)
sounds like a generalized form of a Juggernaut, except neither side is a
willing participant.
Message from Italy to Austria in 'ruffians':
> Roland,
>
Greetings!
> More skeptical than ever? I didn't think that was possible? ;)
>
It is true! :-)
> A complete withdrawl, hmm? Well, I don't see that happening in the spring,
> though possibly in the fall.
>
The sooner the better...
> Is that your baseline for re-newed negotiations, really? I am in earnest
> when I say that I believe that we can work together in this game, if you are
> willing.
>
I AM willing, but if we should work together it should be to the benefit of
us both. Until you understand that, we will not be able to get anywhere.
> Let me know.
>
> Mvh
>
> Chris
Mvh Roland
Message from Italy to France in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
And thanx for your help!
I wonder how this next year will be like. But I think it will be very
though.
Hope it looks better for you!
Mvh Roland
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as France in 'ruffians':
>
> > Any of you guys ever heard of the "let�s-trade-capitals-startegy"?
> > It is a soon to be famous Turkish-Italian opening. :-)
>
> sounds like a generalized form of a Juggernaut, except neither side is a
> willing participant.
I don't know. Sometimes one is compelled to swap capitols, and sometimes it
can
pay off just fine: you might get your capitol back, and get to keep the
other's as
well.... The problem, of course, is that you can't build in the other guy's
dots!
Broadcast message from Italy in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
Now I will be on vacation for a week, back on Aug 3:rd.
Maybe, maybe I will have some e-mailaccess during this time...
See you!
Mvh Roland
Message from Russia to Austria and Master in
'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
>Cal,
>
>Bubby! Where's the love? I was so there for you man! Now what'll become
>of us?
I'm just back in town for the day from my vacation and I'm *PISSED*.
I DID send in the orders we agreed on, specifically F Rum-Bul(ec) and the
Judge never processed them. This is while we were getting those blank
messages.
I'm sending a copy of this to Rick because, once again, the Judge has
screwed me in a demo game.
What else can I say? I'm about to head back out of town, but I'll have
e-mail access when I get to my brother's place. I'll look a little closer
at the results and get back to you. I haven't even read through them
completely.
Cal
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
>Judas was more looking out for number one, I think. If E/G/T can stick
>together
>vs. R, Cal will find himself alone and friendless--exactly where he
>deserves to be!
I'm only back in town for a couple of hours before I leave again, but I have
to respond to this.
Exactly where I "deserve to be"? What do you mean by this? I attacked you
because if I hadn't, you and France would have cleaned up and been the
dominant alliance. I saved England's ass by what I did. Of course, I
regret that now, but it was the only thing to do at the time.
By the way, I'm now playing this game under protest. I sent in a change of
orders to the Judge when it was sending out those blank messages and it
processed the turn using the OLD orders. I didn't think that was possible.
With the orders that should have been used, I would have still fallen victim
to England, but Turkey would not have gotten Rum. *I* would have kept it
and gotten Bulgaria.
Wish we had played this game on a real Judge, if there is such a thing.
After getting screwed in two out of three demo games by the Judge program, I
have some pretty big doubts about the programming.
Cal
Broadcast message from France in 'ruffians':
> Wish we had played this game on a real Judge, if there is such a thing.
> After getting screwed in two out of three demo games by the Judge program,
I
> have some pretty big doubts about the programming.
that is in the works--and you'll be able to write your own rules variants on
the fly too.
(I can't say more, but I ain't talking 'bout Hasbro). Interested parties
can talk to me during AvalonCON (or whatever it is called now)
Message from Russia to Germany in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
>Cal:
> Bad season for you... I told you you were overextending yourself!
>Me? I'm
>happy with breaking even!
Would have been better if the guy who runs the Judge program would sell the
Fisher-Price crap he's using and buy a real computer.
I never expect gratitude in a game of DIplomacy, but I thought Christian had
better judgement than that. Either one of you or France were easy pickings
and would have solidified his corner position, but instead he attacks me.
Oh well, I guess I'm not the only one who overextends...
Cal
Message from Russia to Germany in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> I'll make a deal with you. You retreat someplace else than Hel
>(Skag or otb)
>and yank A Bur this Winter. I will stay out of Sil and Pru, giving you
>a fighting
>chance vs. Turkey. Fair enough?
Probably the best offer I'll get. You've got a deal and I'll even promise
to be a nicer neighbour from now on. Okay?
>P.S. Whatever you do, you will never find me to be an "easy mark."
>Remember
>that. I take time to conquer, and that buys time for others to conquer
>you.
Yeah, I can read tea leaves too, y'know! d;-})
Cal
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as France in 'ruffians':
>
>> Wish we had played this game on a real Judge, if there is such a thing.
>> After getting screwed in two out of three demo games by the Judge
program,
>I
>> have some pretty big doubts about the programming.
>
>
>that is in the works--and you'll be able to write your own rules variants
on
>the fly too.
>
> (I can't say more, but I ain't talking 'bout Hasbro). Interested parties
>can talk to me during AvalonCON (or whatever it is called now)
Great. Can I get on a mailing list or something?
Cal
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia and Italy in
'ruffians':
>
>Hi, now I understand what you meaned that Austria is untrustable. I agree.
>But, as long as we fight, he'll be the only winner. Of course, I don't say
>that I'll give you back Rum or Rom . But, I don't ask for Con, and will not
>attack Sev. I think we have still enough forces to punish him. If we
>continue to fight, melted as we are, he'll be the sole winner. Do you
agree?
What possible reason could I have for attacking Austria? I made an offer to
you to do just that and you chose to not only refuse it, but to call me
"foolish" for suggesting it!!!
For that matter, how could I possibly trust you? You have done nothing but
lie to me since you got into the game.
Sorry. Make a better offer.
Cal
Adjustments
Message from Turkey to Russia in
'ruffians':
Sorry Cal, Chris and you had well play the game, saying, he's a lyer,
you can't trust him, and so on... I was thinking about something like
that, as none of you move to Galicia last turn, but had no choice but to
trust Chris, in my point of view. I would have had a bad turn, if your
true orders had been taking into account.
Good luck
Message from Turkey to Russia in
'ruffians':
>
> Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> >Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia and Italy in
> 'ruffians':
> >
> >Hi, now I understand what you meaned that Austria is untrustable. I agree.
> >But, as long as we fight, he'll be the only winner. Of course, I don't say
> >that I'll give you back Rum or Rom . But, I don't ask for Con, and will not
> >attack Sev. I think we have still enough forces to punish him. If we
> >continue to fight, melted as we are, he'll be the sole winner. Do you
> agree?
>
> What possible reason could I have for attacking Austria? I made an offer to
> you to do just that and you chose to not only refuse it, but to call me
> "foolish" for suggesting it!!!
>
> For that matter, how could I possibly trust you? You have done nothing but
> lie to me since you got into the game.
>
> Sorry. Make a better offer.
>
> Cal
I just read that, and you are not honest. I don't lie to you. I say I do
not want to attack Austria, as he's the only one who (I guess so but it
was false) want to play with me. You had an opportunity to attack
Austria, but you didn't. I never say I won't attack you, do I?
And, as Austria say, you were ally from the start. So, if I had let you
the BlaS, I would be already dead, now.
Hi Guys:
As far as I can see, the Judge cannot be counted upon to pass on
our messages.
We had better communicate via our regular email addresses until the
situation is
remedied. If ever!
Paul
Message from Turkey to Austria in
'ruffians':
OK Chris, sure the options are still there. But you can understand that
now, I just prefer to wait about your actions. Nobody can empeach your
move Greece-Ionian, and you've no threat on Greece. If you move so,
we'll see. Anyway, as I say to Cal, your plan was good. I smell
something last turn, when I see none of you moving in Galicia, as you
said. That's was the reason why I do not cut the support of Apulia, to
avois that you take Ven, while giving Russia Munich. I was not prepare
to the French action at all. Neither were you:-)
We still can work together, and I think you're right. Let's be realistic
and try to stop England where you can.
Good luck,
Cyrille
Message from Turkey to Austria in
'ruffians':
In sign of loyalty, as I always say to take the seas while I let you
inland, I'll build a fleet.
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
I recieved your latest messages reagrding the build of a fleet and
continuing our working relationship.
You suggested that I move to the Ionian, and I am fine with that. How do
you propose taht we handle the Italian fleet in your homeland? Also, how
should we gegin moving our forces so that I take inland ones and you
coastal? Should I move Serbia? Where?
Lets be detailed about this, so that there can be no further confusion.
Best,
Chris
Message from France to Austria in 'ruffians':
hi Chris, as it turns out I think I will take the Train down to Baltimore.
Are you driving back on Sunday and if so can I ride with you into NYC?
Message from Austria to France in 'ruffians':
Yes, I am driving, and yes, you can ride back with me if you promise not TO
CUT MY BLOODY SUPPORT AGAIN!!!!!!!
Chris
Message from France to Austria in 'ruffians':
(hmm, lessee. Moves are due AFTER AvalonCon, so I can effectively say...)
why, yes, I promise not to ever cut your support, ever, ever again, in any
game we ever play in
(whew, it hurts to cross my fingers THAT tight behind my back!)
> Yes, I am driving, and yes, you can ride back with me if you promise not
TO
> CUT MY BLOODY SUPPORT AGAIN!!!!!!!
>
> Chris
I wonder if we can switch the game to another judge.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul G. Rauterberg <[email protected]>
To: Chris Martin <[email protected]>; Christian Dreyer
<[email protected]>; John Quarto <[email protected]>; Rick Desper
<[email protected]>; Roland Issakson <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 6:02 AM
Subject: The Judge is hopeless
> Hi Guys:
> As far as I can see, the Judge cannot be counted upon to pass on
> our messages.
> We had better communicate via our regular email addresses until the
> situation is
> remedied. If ever!
>
> Paul
>