| Press for Fall of 1914 in ruffians |
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Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey in
'ruffians':
Cal,
What makes you think that Turkey can't hold Tunis? I am Curious.
Meef -- Cal is predicting an English Solo,with Me losing Munich to Christian
about the same time he loses StPete. Have you heard anything about this?
Chris
Message from Austria to France in 'ruffians':
John,
Yipe! I am looking at the map and still seeing this as a possible solo for
ME, and at worst a 3 way with Turkey and England. What am I not seeing?
chris
Message from Turkey to Austria and Russia in 'ruffians':
Chris, Cal,
This whole idea of canning the game is new to me. I just want a chance to
run with the big dogs!!!
Meef
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> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia and Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Cal,
>
> What makes you think that Turkey can't hold Tunis? I am Curious.
>
> Meef -- Cal is predicting an English Solo,with Me losing Munich
> to Christian
> about the same time he loses StPete. Have you heard anything about this?
>
> Chris
>
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia and Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Cal,
>
> What makes you think that Turkey can't hold Tunis? I am Curious.
>
> Meef -- Cal is predicting an English Solo,with Me losing Munich to
Christian
> about the same time he loses StPete. Have you heard anything about this?
Meef, this is all a ploy to get at Chris. I'm going to make a bunch of
noise about the game being over, but it's all a ruse to try to get him to
back off.
As for his questions to you, feel free to play it dumb or even better, make
it seem like you think the game is over too.
My only hope is to psych Chris out.
Cal
Broadcast message from England in
'ruffians':
Gentlemen, gentlemen...
I have to disagree with you all. This game is not over and Chris is not
throwing the game to me. Note that he retreated to Piedemont keeping my
Marseilles instead of ridding Austrian Italy of Turkey. A choice in my
taste actually.
Here�s why the game is not over:
There is no way I can gain Germany+StP+Tunis. When I reach the critical
point you will all start boffing at me.
This game may in my opinion end in three different ways:
1) DIAS ERT
2) DIAS ERA
3) DIAS ETA
All this said, I will still vote for a concession to England. A solo is a
solo is a solo. Besides, I wanna brag about soloing against the American
World Champ, proving European World Champs are better! *smile*
So, this game will end in a DIAS. Let the plotting begin, let the cunnings
of our twisted minds decide who will and who will not be in the draw...
all the best to all of you
Christian
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
We haven't said a true word to each other for the whole game. Is it time to
start or shall we just keep quiet?
all the best
Christian
Message from England to Russia and Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cal & Meef,
You two know I will not solo unless you two lets me. And I canot see why
you would. Let�s play this safe and take Chris out. I will advance further
into Med than you allow me to. Let me know your thoughts. I want to take
Chris and Paul out and then finish. I know we can do it if we work carefully.
all the best
Christian
Message from England to Russia and Turkey in 'ruffians':
>you would. Let�s play this safe and take Chris out. I will advance further
>into Med than you allow me to.
Although this might seem like a freudian slip it was intended to be "I will
NOT advance further into Med than you allow me to." A little NOT disappears
so easy...*smile*
all the best
Christian
Message from Turkey to England and Russia in 'ruffians':
my thoughts exactly.
Meef
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>
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> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia and
> Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> Cal & Meef,
>
> You two know I will not solo unless you two lets me. And I canot see why
> you would. Let�s play this safe and take Chris out. I will advance further
> into Med than you allow me to. Let me know your thoughts. I want to take
> Chris and Paul out and then finish. I know we can do it if we
> work carefully.
>
> all the best
> Christian
>
Message from Observer to Master in 'ruffians':
I realize that this message goes in the game record and can be studied
by others, so I will be careful in what I say and remind you not to
E-Mail me back directly anything you don't want put on record.
The depth and subtlety of this game at this point is very good.
I dismiss all of the public statements today by current players
as posturing with my analysis being:
1) England has very high hopes of winning, but is a bit flabbergasted
at the discussion since he sees a win as still quite far off. Chris
clearly can't give him a win alone and I doubt that England sees anyone
else laying down for him (in particular Cal allowing England to take
St. Pete does not look promising -- though recall that theoretically
England can put four units on it. In this kind of situation, the
great difficulty is coming up with those four units without something
collapsing elsewhere.
2) France and John Quarto von Tivadar shows me again why I believe
he is one of the top five players in the world. As "no longer a
player" he is only slightly posturing. He is a great FTF player
because he grasps the strategic implications of a position faster
than anyone I know. His press was a classic and I look forward
to reading his earlier one eventually.
3) Chris has that touch of craziness that makes him a fascinating
player to watch. I like to play Austria the way he has played it
here. I find threats to throw the game a universal part of the
Austrian arsenal. I still am not sure Chris ACTUALLY intends to
throw the game. I am not revealing anything significant to say
that I sent him a note asking him some questions and he did not
respond to me..... just as it should be.
4) Cal is also crazy like a fox.
5) In this kind of situation, everyone knows that getting Turkey
OUT of the draw is just SO difficult. In this case, I really doubt
it can be done. I don't see why Austria can't be the third partner
in a three way (I don't discount the idea that this is still Chris'
goal), but Austria getting Turkey out of the game just won't happen.
In the end game, I frequently find the lack of dynamics over Turkey
extremely frustrating (true if I am playing Turkey, or playing
against Turkey). This challenges Calhamer's vision. I really want
to get that Star Trek Dip game in my szine going since the round
uniform board precludes static positions. I also rethought my
position and that rotating board will be allowed. [sorry for the
digression to future readers]
In sum, there is lots more play in this game and Cal knows it.
Cal could be aced out, but I still think there will be a play
to eliminate Turkey. It is just SO difficult though. If Cal
and Chris pull it off it will be a great achievement.
I don't want to say more for fear of "poisoning the timeline".
Jim-Bob
Message from Russia to England and Turkey in
'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia and
> Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> Cal & Meef,
>
> You two know I will not solo unless you two lets me. And I canot see why
> you would. Let�s play this safe and take Chris out. I will advance further
> into Med than you allow me to. Let me know your thoughts. I want to take
> Chris and Paul out and then finish. I know we can do it if we work
carefully.
Sure. All I have to do is figure out how to stay alive long enough to take
part in this draw...
All suggestions welcome.
Cal
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
Well, I don't think its true to say that we haven't said ANYTHING true to
each other. There must have been a time, somewhere in there, when I was
attacking Germany that we worked together, wasn't there?
I am predicting a 3 way ATE finish. Accordingly, I will be turning the
defense of Italy and tunis over to the Turks, as soon as he can get there.
I think with the army on the other side of switzerland I can keep you from
taking all of Germany, and probably stop you before you get too far into
Russia as well.
If you'd like to work towards that end, I am game. Go take StPete with a
fleet (north coast, need I say?) Let me have Germany and Marsailles and The
southern Russian home dots, and I'll let Turkey have all the coastal centers
south of Venice/Trieste, and we can all go home happy.
"European WDC's are worth more than American ones" indeed! ;) Coming to
Baltimore?
Oh, speaking of travel, there is a big Swing Dance camp in Herrang, Sweden,
in July, and I am planning on coming! Do you think there might be a little
F2F action to be found in the whole of Sweden the 3rd week of July?
All the best to you and the little one!
Chris
Message from Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
PAul,
I was writing a letter to you this afternoon, when the baby started acting
up and I had to stop everything -- when I got home from work, something had
happened, and no letter. ;(
The effect of it was this -- Should you go into Munich to stay at three, and
remove A Munich in the Winter? I think I can power back into Burgundy if
you do this, and the three fleets you have will be crucial to forcing
Christian to a draw. I for one will be willing to leave Munich yours behind
my lines providing I CAN in fact put it behind my lines.
The problem here is that I was counting on only losing one center to Turkey
this turn, and its going to be two. I'll still have a build, (I am one
short now), which I was planning on sending through Munich to shore up
defenses there.
Or do you think we should keep the army in place? If you only keep two
units I think Denmark is going to fall, and once he can put a fleet in the
Baltic I am going to be hard pressed to hold Berlin and Kiel. ( I know how
much that would pain you. ;)
I can send Bohemia back into Munich, and then I don't think Christian will
be able to crack Burgundy any time soon, infact, re-taking paris wouldn't
be out of the question.
You have the crucial northern fleets that Cal wouldn't provide -- that is
why I am taking him down. Let me know your thoughts, and lets work
something out.
best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Meef,
Well, I think I have a plan that we can both live with.
How about I turn over defense of the Med to you? Every coastal Center south
of Venice/Trieste to you, and in return I build the armies that hold the
line in the north.
That'd be Tunis, Naples, Rome, Greece, and as much of Iberia as you can
take. (Marsailles to remain mine).
I build no more fleets, you don't build ANY armies. If you want Sev, you
are welcome to take and hold it with a fleet. That, by my count, would put
you at 9 and make you a player in anyones book.
This season? How about you dislodge my fleet in the Ionian, so that I can
disband it and re-build as an army? F Greece S F Emed -> Ionian. hey, if I
retreat to Aegean, you're building two fleets anyway, right? So I won't,
I'll build an army, and get it into Germany, while the rest of my forces
quickly take out Cal. Sev to you will make it that much faster.
What do you say? You don't have to do anything but take my centers and not
build armies. Is there anything about this that you don't trust? (Ok,
maybe it sounds too good to be true. But GHODDAM I want to WORK with
someone in this game instead of fight everyone!)
Best,
Chris
Message from Germany to Austria in 'ruffians':
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Chris, sometimes I just can't believe that I'm still trying to help you repair
> the situation that you broke yourself when you rejected a strong A/G. Your
> dilemmas are largely of your own making, and I won't let you forget it!
>
> The effect of it was this -- Should you go into Munich to stay at three, and
> remove A Munich in the Winter? I think I can power back into Burgundy if
> you do this, and the three fleets you have will be crucial to forcing
> Christian to a draw. I for one will be willing to leave Munich yours behind
> my lines providing I CAN in fact put it behind my lines.
I am as good as useless if I am not allowed to keep the three fleets. That
means your choice is: let me have Mun (and yank the A Mun in the Winter) or
leave Den
to fall to England.
>
>
> The problem here is that I was counting on only losing one center to Turkey
> this turn, and its going to be two. I'll still have a build, (I am one
> short now), which I was planning on sending through Munich to shore up
> defenses there.
How can you be surprised that after you left Tun and Nap wide open, one of them
fell? Sigh.
When you pulled out of the favorable situations you had regarding R/T, what
were you thinking they'd do thereafter? Fall flat on the ground in eternal
gratitude to you for allowing them to live?
>
>
> Or do you think we should keep the army in place?
No, if I have to make a second removal due to my not being allowed into Mun,
both removals will be fleets. Can I be any more clear?
> If you only keep two
> units I think Denmark is going to fall, and once he can put a fleet in the
> Baltic I am going to be hard pressed to hold Berlin and Kiel.
Actually, don't you expect Russian F Lvn to move to Baltic allied with England?
>
> I can send Bohemia back into Munich, and then I don't think Christian will
> be able to crack Burgundy any time soon, infact, re-taking paris wouldn't
> be out of the question.
Send Boh back through Mun next Spring, and keep it moving to Bur that Fall. If
you keep Mun now, I yank fleets and don't bother to resist England any further.
That's it.
>
>
> You have the crucial northern fleets that Cal wouldn't provide -- that is
> why I am taking him down.
We HAD Cal. We HAD him, I don't care if the dead Frenchman thinks otherwise.
We HAD Christian. That convoy of your A Hol-Edi would have broken his back;
I don't care if the dead Frenchman thinks otherwise.
Doesn't anybody else GET it?
Paul
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris,
I have NEVER had any aspirations in this game to be an army power, only a
fleet power. I am willing to just build fleets as we have discussed in the
past. With that being true, I feel we can both have a lot of fun and
prosper. My only request is we handle our relationship in a way that
double-crossing (or rumored double-crosses by other double-crossers) are at
a bare minimum. The fleet / army border will serve us the best for that
goal. U can count on the f eas - ion order.
Thoughts?
Meef
> Meef,
>
> Well, I think I have a plan that we can both live with.
>
> How about I turn over defense of the Med to you? Every coastal Center
south
> of Venice/Trieste to you, and in return I build the armies that hold the
> line in the north.
>
> That'd be Tunis, Naples, Rome, Greece, and as much of Iberia as you can
> take. (Marsailles to remain mine).
>
> I build no more fleets, you don't build ANY armies. If you want Sev, you
> are welcome to take and hold it with a fleet. That, by my count, would
put
> you at 9 and make you a player in anyones book.
>
> This season? How about you dislodge my fleet in the Ionian, so that I can
> disband it and re-build as an army? F Greece S F Emed -> Ionian. hey, if
I
> retreat to Aegean, you're building two fleets anyway, right? So I won't,
> I'll build an army, and get it into Germany, while the rest of my forces
> quickly take out Cal. Sev to you will make it that much faster.
>
> What do you say? You don't have to do anything but take my centers and
not
> build armies. Is there anything about this that you don't trust? (Ok,
> maybe it sounds too good to be true. But GHODDAM I want to WORK with
> someone in this game instead of fight everyone!)
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
>
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
For the Record:
There certainly WAS a G/A alliance. We had a really good thing going, and
any difficulty I personally am experiencing -- and any prosperity enjoyed by
R/E/T -- is a direct result of my abandonment of that alliance.
Perhaps I mis-judged the situation, but I really did think that Paul --
Germany -- had a better chance for a solo than I did. Once I had made that
judgement, I thought my course was clear -- move to prevent that, even if it
cost me any chance at my own solo -- as it clearly has.
The turning point? Paul offered to convoy me from Holland to Edi, while I
supported him into Warsaw. In hindsight, this would have been a really cool
thing to do, breaking both England and Germany's back at the same moment.
But, as John has observed, I was with child at that point, and I didn't
really think things all the way through.
I don't think England, or ANYONE will be getting a solo out of this one.
That was really the point when I stopped working with Paul.
Thats my 2 bits!
chris
Broadcast message from England in
'ruffians':
>I don't think England, or ANYONE will be getting a solo out of this one.
Yes you do, otherwise you wouldn't have retreated to Piedemont. *smile*
Christian
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
>If you'd like to work towards that end, I am game. Go take StPete with a
>fleet (north coast, need I say?) Let me have Germany and Marsailles and The
>southern Russian home dots, and I'll let Turkey have all the coastal centers
>south of Venice/Trieste, and we can all go home happy.
We�ll see. I will try to advance to Holland. Will I have your support? I am
planning convoy Swe-Ska-Nth. I don't think paul will be moving Den-Swe...or
at least I hope so. I hope you will cover Mun.
>"European WDC's are worth more than American ones" indeed! ;) Coming to
>Baltimore?
I am trying to raise funds to go there. Unless I convince some obscure
company to sponsor me I can't see me coming. Can't afford it with baby and
everything...
>Oh, speaking of travel, there is a big Swing Dance camp in Herrang, Sweden,
>in July, and I am planning on coming! Do you think there might be a little
>F2F action to be found in the whole of Sweden the 3rd week of July?
The best thing you can do is mail to [email protected] and ask politely. If
you explain who you are I am sure someone will turn up to try to beat you.
The address goes to the Swedish Diplomacy Mailinglist. There is really no
reason for you to subscribe to the list (as it is in Swedish) but you can
send a mail in English asking everyone to reply directly to your
emailaddress and not to the listaddress.
all the best to all of the family
Christian
Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
I have two units against Marseilles. There is no way i can retake Mar as
Chris will support it from Pie. What I can do though, is support you to
Marseilles. I have nothing to loose by giving you F Spa(sc) S A Bur-Mar and
F Lyo-Pie. What do you think?
Christian
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
Now, why did you have to go and spoil a perfectly good opportunity for us to
work together by telling me this?
<<We�ll see. I will try to advance to Holland. Will I have your support? I
am
planning convoy Swe-Ska-Nth. I don't think paul will be moving Den-Swe...or
at least I hope so. I hope you will cover Mun.>>
KNOWING that I am still talking to Paul, I can't possibly belive this.
Clearly an attempt to get me to pass this along to him, and then take
Denmark when he uses it to attack the north sea. C'mon, give me a little
credit here!
No, for now, I think I will be helping Paul survive. (See, there, I told
you something true!)
Once I have taken Russia down, then we can finish Paul off.
Chris
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
>KNOWING that I am still talking to Paul, I can't possibly belive this.
>Clearly an attempt to get me to pass this along to him, and then take
>Denmark when he uses it to attack the north sea. C'mon, give me a little
>credit here!
Well, KNOWING you still talk to Paul this would test your will to work with
me. Consider I do move Swe-Ska-Nth-Hol. The worst case scenario for me
would be getting Holland and loosing Sweden. That would not be too bad as I
would still have at least one build. However, if you want to work with me
and don't tell Paul this I will manage to put up two builds and could
heavily improve your chances of taking Cal down by sending fleets to StP.
>No, for now, I think I will be helping Paul survive. (See, there, I told
>you something true!)
As a matter of fact I DO BELIEVE YOU! *smile*
>Once I have taken Russia down, then we can finish Paul off.
And this information is so obvious I don't even bother to tell Cal...:)
all the best
Christian
Message from Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
Paul,
Supporting Denmark, leaving Munich open. Anything else? Christian claims
he is going to try to advance to Holland, but I don't see it.
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> :: Judge: USEF Game: Ruffians Variant: Standard
> :: Deadline: F1914M Tue Feb 22 2000 23:30:00 PST
>
> Diplomacy game 'ruffians' is waiting for Russia's orders.
>
> This power will be considered abandoned and free for takeover
> if orders are not received by Tue Feb 29 2000 23:30:00 PST.
Sorry guys, life's been hectic these last few days: baseball league drafts
coming due, web page work, visiting the mechanic, applying for two separate
jobs and, oh yeah, working for a living...
Orders are in now.
Cal
Retreats
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Dang, I was sure you were going to support Prussia to hold!
My offer still stands. Retreat OTB, and I will support you into Denmark,
and advance no further upon Russian soil.
Chris
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
Cal,
Is it OK for e to retreat to Nwy? I rather be there than NWG if Paul keeps
F Nth. But, I will move to NWG if you feel that is necessary for you to
keep trusting me. I have set wait for the retreats.
Christian
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in
> 'ruffians':
>
> Is it OK for e to retreat to Nwy? I rather be there than NWG if Paul keeps
> F Nth. But, I will move to NWG if you feel that is necessary for you to
> keep trusting me. I have set wait for the retreats.
I'm not sure why you'd want to go to Norway when Paul is threatening your
home centres, but if you want to, go ahead. Even if you ARE going to stab me
by taking St Pete's, I'd rather it was you than Paul. (Not to be taken as
permission, by the way...<g>)
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
2 steps forward, 1 back.
Thoughts on next year?
I would like to build 2 more fleets. Chris has indicated he will transfer
some more holdings (i.e. Tun and Rom) to me if I will build fleets and no
armies.
My biggest concern is Russia being overrun in the mean time.
Chris also mentioned (for the umpteenth time) about me stabbing Russia and
inviting me into Sev.
If u think it wise I can build a fleet in bla and use it for defense of Sev
and eventual reconquest of Rum.
I DO NOT want to see u get overrun!!!!!!!!!
Thoughts?
Meef
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> 2 steps forward, 1 back.
>
> Thoughts on next year?
>
> I would like to build 2 more fleets. Chris has indicated he will transfer
> some more holdings (i.e. Tun and Rom) to me if I will build fleets and no
> armies.
>
> My biggest concern is Russia being overrun in the mean time.
>
> Chris also mentioned (for the umpteenth time) about me stabbing Russia and
> inviting me into Sev.
>
> If u think it wise I can build a fleet in bla and use it for defense of
Sev
> and eventual reconquest of Rum.
>
> I DO NOT want to see u get overrun!!!!!!!!!
Well, basically, it's like this. If you DON'T build an army and help me out
by putting pressure on Serbia, I'm toast. I believe I mentioned this last
year when I pointed out that a Turkish army in Bulgaria is probably
Austria's biggest fear. Right now, he can stalemate me in Rumania because
he will always have Serbia for support. Why do you think he's so adamant
about you sticking to fleets?
It's up to you, but if you want to continue to have a Russian ally in
existence, you're going to need to build some ground units to help me out.
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
That is all I need to hear. I am convinced if u r toast, I am toast (maybe
just a little later). 1 or 2 armies? Where should I place them?
Chris is gonna be one po'd dude when he sees army(ies). What goes around
comes around, he he.
Meef
> > 2 steps forward, 1 back.
> >
> > Thoughts on next year?
> >
> > I would like to build 2 more fleets. Chris has indicated he
> will transfer
> > some more holdings (i.e. Tun and Rom) to me if I will build
> fleets and no
> > armies.
> >
> > My biggest concern is Russia being overrun in the mean time.
> >
> > Chris also mentioned (for the umpteenth time) about me stabbing
> Russia and
> > inviting me into Sev.
> >
> > If u think it wise I can build a fleet in bla and use it for defense of
> Sev
> > and eventual reconquest of Rum.
> >
> > I DO NOT want to see u get overrun!!!!!!!!!
>
> Well, basically, it's like this. If you DON'T build an army and
> help me out
> by putting pressure on Serbia, I'm toast. I believe I mentioned this last
> year when I pointed out that a Turkish army in Bulgaria is probably
> Austria's biggest fear. Right now, he can stalemate me in Rumania because
> he will always have Serbia for support. Why do you think he's so adamant
> about you sticking to fleets?
>
> It's up to you, but if you want to continue to have a Russian ally in
> existence, you're going to need to build some ground units to help me out.
>
> Cal
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> That is all I need to hear. I am convinced if u r toast, I am toast
(maybe
> just a little later). 1 or 2 armies? Where should I place them?
>
> Chris is gonna be one po'd dude when he sees army(ies). What goes around
> comes around, he he.
Life's a bitch, eh? <g>
Well, if we're gonna do it, we may as well do it right. Put an army in Con
and a fleet in Ank. You can go to Black & Bul and we'll have some leverage
for Rum in the Fall. With luck, we can grab Serbia for you the year after.
Make sense?
Cheers,
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
u can count on those builds.
Gonna get ugly now. New kid has worn off, just another stiletto wielding
sob I guess, he he.
Meef
> > That is all I need to hear. I am convinced if u r toast, I am toast
> (maybe
> > just a little later). 1 or 2 armies? Where should I place them?
> >
> > Chris is gonna be one po'd dude when he sees army(ies). What
> goes around
> > comes around, he he.
>
> Life's a bitch, eh? <g>
>
> Well, if we're gonna do it, we may as well do it right. Put an
> army in Con
> and a fleet in Ank. You can go to Black & Bul and we'll have
> some leverage
> for Rum in the Fall. With luck, we can grab Serbia for you the
> year after.
> Make sense?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cal
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> u can count on those builds.
>
> Gonna get ugly now. New kid has worn off, just another stiletto wielding
> sob I guess, he he.
Boy, do you ever fit in with THIS crowd then... <g>
Cal
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
>I'm not sure why you'd want to go to Norway when Paul is threatening your
>home centres, but if you want to, go ahead.
I will have two builds anyway, so I can dislodge him from NTH without him
retreating to NWY if I am in NWY.
>Even if you ARE going to stab me
>by taking St Pete's, I'd rather it was you than Paul. (Not to be taken as
>permission, by the way...<g>)
Yes...I will keep this in mind :)
all the best
Christian
Adjustments
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Diplomacy game 'ruffians' is waiting for Russia's orders.
> Diplomacy game 'ruffians' is waiting for Germany's orders.
>
> These powers will be considered abandoned and free for takeover
> if orders are not received by Tue Feb 29 2000 13:37:09 PST.
Scheist! That came up fast. Orders now in.
Cal