| Press for Fall of 1902 in ruffians |
Movement
Message from France to Germany in 'ruffians':
With all due respect, that was a mistake. You should have waited until
England was down a few units before making such a move since now you cannot
be sure of what he will do. All I have to do is conovy *back* to BRE and you
won't be able to hold the gains you are about to make; England will actually
gain a unit, and you will be back to the same SC count at the end of next
year as you started this year with.
I'm all for a good stab, but quite frankly, that was one of the stupidest
I've seen in years.
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Hi Cyrille,
Well, given the placement of your units, I can't blame you for taking one
more shot at me, but don't you think you have a little bit more to worry
about than me?
Turn around, the Italians just kicked your back door in... <g>
Regards,
Cal
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
Is it just me or did that turn process Very, Very quickly after Cyrille
joined us?
Chris
Message from Russia to Italy in 'ruffians':
Hi Roland,
I must say I was quite glad to see your move into the Eastern Med. That
will give Turkey something to think about. Let me know if I can be of any
assistance. I'll certainly do my best to keep the Turk from making any
gains against me while you pick away at his belly.
What do you make of the German moves? My first inclination is that the
moves to Bel & Bur were false and F/G is just hoping to throw attention away
from their alliance. Germany attacking France when he's already at war with
England (not to mention my F Stp(sc) & A Sil builds) just doesn't seem to
make ANY sense at all. Paul's last communication to me certainly indicated
that he considered Germany & Russia to be at war. I'm betting he won't be
in Belgium after next turn.
Let me know if you hear anything interesting and I'll do the same.
Cal
Message from Germany to France in 'ruffians':
Dear John:
Stupid is as stupid does. How was I supposed to stop England from driving
me away from his shores, anyway?
And if I did stick it out with you...what did I stand to gain?
The worst that will happen to me is that I'll lose Hol or Den, depending upon
which
one I choose not to cover with F Hel. I'll gain Bel and Par, for a net gain of
one,
and I'll be a lot more attractive to England as an ally against you than you
would be
for him against me.
Did you give that any thought before you started hollering "stupid"? I
doubt it....
>
> With all due respect, that was a mistake. You should have waited until
> England was down a few units before making such a move since now you cannot
> be sure of what he will do. All I have to do is conovy *back* to BRE and you
> won't be able to hold the gains you are about to make; England will actually
> gain a unit, and you will be back to the same SC count at the end of next
> year as you started this year with.
>
> I'm all for a good stab, but quite frankly, that was one of the stupidest
> I've seen in years.
Message from Master to Turkey in 'ruffians':
I do hope those were the orders you wanted.
Before you joined, there was a substitute who submitted some orders.
I noticed that you had submitted orders yourself, and assumed they
were final, so I removed my WAIT flag.
If you have orders that you are unsure of, and you want to wait a
while before the orders are processed, the thing to do is
SET WAIT
This will delay the game until the deadline. Otherwise (as happened
today), the game will process as soon as all the orders are in (and
nobody else has a WAIT flag).
To turn off a WAIT flag, the reverse command is
SET NOWAIT
I don't remember how many of these things I explained to you as part
of Pouchtoo.
Rick
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
Well, Cyrille did sign on to the game last Friday.
*shrug*
Rick
Message from Germany to Austria in 'ruffians':
>
> Is it just me or did that turn process Very, Very quickly after Cyrille
> joined us?
>
I guess all it took was for SOMEBODY to submit some orders for Turkey....
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
>
>
>Is it just me or did that turn process Very, Very quickly after Cyrille
>joined us?
Sure seemed to. But I do vaguely remember Rick putting the deadline ahead.
Didn't pay any attention as to when it was set for though (already had
orders in)...
Cal
Message from Russia to Italy in 'ruffians':
Sent that last message with the wrong subject line (used R->A by mistake),
but at least I knew who I was writing to!
Cal
Broadcast message from Turkey in
'ruffians':
I tought the deadline was the 30th of june. Was it not? Or did the
adjudication phase arrive as soon as all orders are given?
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
Hi Chris! Glad to see you're on line. Hope things have settled down for
you at work.
What do you make of the German moves? My first inclination is that the
moves to Bel & Bur were false and F/G is just hoping to throw attention away
from their alliance. That idea seems a little tenuous, but Germany
attacking France
when he's already at war with England (and given my F Stp(sc) & A Sil
builds)
just doesn't seem to make ANY sense at all. Paul's last communication to me
certainly indicated that he considered Germany & Russia to be at war. I'm
betting
he won't be in Belgium after next turn.
Will you be able to spare A Ser to support my fleet in Rumania this turn? I
don't think you have to worry about Greece. With Turkey attacking me and
Italy coming in his back door, he can't afford to antagonize you - Greece
may be the safest centre on the board for this turn!
Later,
Cal
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
Juge Diplomacy writes:
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
> I tought the deadline was the 30th of june. Was it not? Or did the
> adjudication phase arrive as soon as all orders are given?
>
The latter explanation is what happened. That's a letter in your
mailbox waiting for you.
It didn't occur to me until Chris's broadcast that perhaps you were
not expecting the orders to go through right away. That is how the
Judge works. Usually, if you want to wait a bit, you use a WAIT flag.
I forget sometimes that the word "deadline" means something quite
different to a Judge player than it does elsewhere.
I hope that doesn't spoil things. I feel bad. I'm going to go eat
some ice cream.
Rick
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Juge Diplomacy wrote:
>
>
> I tought the deadline was the 30th of june. Was it not? Or did the
> adjudication phase arrive as soon as all orders are given?
It seems that robot gms like to publish orders as soon as each participant
has
submitted a set.... The moral is, if you're not prepared to live with the
orders
submitted, don't send them in!
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
I didn't expect the moves to go through so soon -- those were the orders I
had before you joined the game!
I should've "set wait".
I will try to find out what Italy plans -- a convoy, or to support the
attack on Aegean -- Roland and I were working together against Germany, as
you can see from the moves. I will let you know.
Not an overwhelming start to our partnership, I know, and I apologize.
Chris
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Master in 'ruffians':
>I hope that doesn't spoil things. I feel bad. I'm going to go eat
>some ice cream.
Butterscotch Ripple, I hope?
Cal
Message from Russia to Germany in 'ruffians':
Hmmm, lessee, you're at war with England, Russia's just built an army in
Warsaw and a fleet in St Pete's south coast, so you go and attack your
bestest buddy France?
I can hear wheels turning. d;-})
Cheers!
Cal
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
I was just getting set to write to you! Yes, I think we can defend the
Rumanian fleet -- perhaps offensively? I am still holding the olive branch
out to Cyrille, but I think the profit lies in taking him down.
What is your take on Germany this turn? I think we should go all out on the
assault, while we can take advnatage of our surpise attack.
Do you think that we can take Munich from Italy any time we want to? It's
certainly too far from My lines for me to hold comfortably. Why don't we
punch Italy into Munich, and try to get you into Berlin next year? Once
your fleet is in the Baltic Sea that should be much easier.
I am considering Serbia -> Bulgaria, supported by Greece. It seems likely
to me that that will go, but let me know if that is too risly for your
liking.
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Russia in
'ruffians':
I made a mistake, it's true, but not the one you think about. My
intention was to move my fleets against Italy, so I ask to Austria what
was his intentions. Anyway, with you on another front, if Austria and
Italy cooperate, I can do nothing. So, I was hoping that they weren't
playing together, despite the Austrian last moves. He suggested me to
pusue against you, that's what I did. Anyway, with Germany attacking his
only ally, it's good for you three. Good luck,
Cyrille.
Message from Turkey to Austria in
'ruffians':
Hi again, it seems that you didn't forget this game at all:-) Good luck
Message from Turkey to Germany in
'ruffians':
I'm quite surprise with your last moves. In C-Diplo, sometimes player
attacj their only ally, but just if it's the only way to survive, and
during the last turns. It's very rare to saw that in the early years. I
don't think Russia will wait to grab you.
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
I've been thinking again (I know, I shouldn't do that) and it occurred to me
that, if France & Germany really ARE fighting, I've lost the main rationale
for your continued support and friendship. Methinx I better come up with a
new one.
How about this? If you and I were to go to war, that would turn the East
into a total melee: A vs R, T vs R, I vs T, I'd try to get I vs A if I
could. If nothing else, the mess would take years to clean up. There would
certainly be a victor emerge in the West long before the dust settled and
they'd have the better chance to cross the stalemate line first.
If we take Turkey down for the quick kill, we can turn West before they can
organize and have the much better chance of a victory for the East. Whether
that's a two or three way draw, or one of us manages an outright victory
(unlikely in a demo game), it still leaves us with the initiative from start
to finish.
Of course, if the French/German conflict is a phony war, you can ignore the
above... <g>
Comments?
Cal
Message from France to Germany in 'ruffians':
> Did you give that any thought before you started hollering "stupid"?
I
> doubt it....
no i gave it no thought whatever. what i *did* do before writing to you was
talk to England first.
:)
Message from Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Hmmm, lessee, you're at war with England, Russia's just built an army in
> Warsaw and a fleet in St Pete's south coast, so you go and attack your
> bestest buddy France?
>
> I can hear wheels turning. d;-})
>
> ....And I've just oiled them...!
I had many reasons for doing what I did:
1) The alliance with France was all in the Frog's favor: he wasn't offering
me shise out of the English spoils.
2) I needed to prove to both yourself and England that I could be useful as
an ally,
not just a punching bag. Maybe E/G can pound on F, and let events in the
East
resolve themselves?
3)Even if I lose Hol or Den this season, I won't lose both. I'll pick up
Par and Bel
for a net gain of one, which is cool under the circumstances, wouldn't you
say?
Is there any chance that we can call off our petty feud, while we tend
to our own
gardens?
Message from France to England in 'ruffians':
As you may be glad to hear, I will convoy myself back to France this fall,
without taking Liverpool.
-France
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
>Cal,
>
>I was just getting set to write to you! Yes, I think we can defend the
>Rumanian fleet -- perhaps offensively? I am still holding the olive branch
>out to Cyrille, but I think the profit lies in taking him down.
The letter I just sent to you shows my complete agreement.
>What is your take on Germany this turn? I think we should go all out on
the
>assault, while we can take advnatage of our surprise attack.
>Do you think that we can take Munich from Italy any time we want to? It's
>certainly too far from My lines for me to hold comfortably. Why don't we
>punch Italy into Munich, and try to get you into Berlin next year? Once
>your fleet is in the Baltic Sea that should be much easier.
I'm still puzzling over his move to Bur & Bel, but yes, I DO think we should
go after him. I'm going to have to stare at the board for a bit because we
do have options here: you or Italy could support the other into Mun while I
try to take Berlin, or we could do the move you suggested, the three way
assault on Mun. Have to give it some thought.
>I am considering Serbia -> Bulgaria, supported by Greece. It seems likely
>to me that that will go, but let me know if that is too risly for your
>liking.
I'll leave it up to you. It IS the best (only?) chance at taking a centre
from him. I'm going to have to decide if he's REALLY going to need the army
in Armenia to cover Smy/Syr or not. Actually, either way, he's likely to
move Bul-Rum. If you support my fleet in Rum from Ser and F Rum support F
Gre-Bul(sc), that has a a fair shot at working, no?
What do you think?
Cal
Message from Germany to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> I'm quite surprise with your last moves. In C-Diplo, sometimes player
> attacj their only ally, but just if it's the only way to survive, and
> during the last turns. It's very rare to saw that in the early years. I
> don't think Russia will wait to grab you.
Oh, come on! The F/G vs. E was all in France's favor, and I was sure that
my F Nth was as good as gone.
I can lose either Hol or Den, depending upon which one I cover, but I
can't lose
both.... I'll gain Paris and Bel for a net gain of one, something to use
in my defense
vs. A/I/R- heads like my neighbors are proving to be!
Now I have bargaining chips to use with England vs. France, don't I?
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
To the Prime Minister:
Now that I have proven my willingness to REALLY change sides in the
West,
I have only to sell you on the idea that it might be profitable for you
to join G/E
vs F.
First off, I am off of your borders. I am situated in the heart of
France, and I'm
eating my way in like a cancer.... Unless John somehow gets you to
support him
back into Bel, or unless you leave a dot open for him to march into, he
stands to
lose two units this winter.
I have no room for two builds (even if I should be so lucky as to
keep both Den
and Hol); so perhaps I should leave Belgium to you? I could move
Bel-Pic this
Fall, strengthening my claim to Brest in 1903.
As you know, I am threatened by my A/I/R-headed neighbors. If I
disintegrate
early, Russia will have a couple of northern fleets looking for
someplace else to go. Wouldn't that be likely to be you? My point here
is that you have better things
to do than to support the Tsar vs. Germany; I can be the barrier holding
him back
from you!
So...what do you think?
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in
>'ruffians':
>
>I made a mistake, it's true, but not the one you think about. My
>intention was to move my fleets against Italy, so I ask to Austria what
>was his intentions. Anyway, with you on another front, if Austria and
>Italy cooperate, I can do nothing. So, I was hoping that they weren't
>playing together, despite the Austrian last moves. He suggested me to
>pusue against you, that's what I did. Anyway, with Germany attacking his
>only ally, it's good for you three. Good luck,
I'm still not particularly eager to keep fighting you. Any chance you're
going to pull back and defend against Italy? You've seen Austria make his
intentions clear, I believe. He COULD have helped you get Rumania, but he
didn't.
Cal
Message from Russia to Germany in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
>> ....And I've just oiled them...!
>
> I had many reasons for doing what I did:
>1) The alliance with France was all in the Frog's favor: he wasn't
offering
>me shise out of the English spoils.
>2) I needed to prove to both yourself and England that I could be useful
as
>an ally, not just a punching bag. Maybe E/G can pound on F, and let events
in the East
>resolve themselves?
>3)Even if I lose Hol or Den this season, I won't lose both. I'll pick up
>Par and Bel for a net gain of one, which is cool under the circumstances,
wouldn't you
>say?
>
> Is there any chance that we can call off our petty feud, while we tend
>to our own gardens?
To be honest, I'm not sure how I can. Austria has been gung ho for this
move into Sil/Boh/Tyo and I can't affford to disappoint him right now. I'm
too vulnerable to any sort of A/T. Also, to reduce that vulnerability, I
need a couple of centres and you're about the only source of that right now.
Obviously, other events could change this but that's the situation right
now. The players we have in this game are too good to let the board remain
static, so we'll see what happens. I'll keep in touch.
Regards,
Cal
Message from Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal....
The only German dot that you've got the remotest shot at this
season is Den, and
I can block you there (and I will). Your land units are just a little
busy, aren't they?
You won't distract my A Kie from supporting A Mun, so favors owed
IE will
be favors deferred....
Won't England be curious to know what your northern fleets have
planned after
I am gone (if indeed I do go--I'm in no bloody hurry)? I'm a stubborn
son of a gun;
taking me out won't just be a matter of a couple of seasons....
Watch.
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
Hi Christian!
Now THAT was an unexpected turn of events. I'm not sure what Paul was
thinking by attacking his only ally when the rest of the board was lining up
against them, but methinx he's going to pay for it.
Have you heard from France yet? I would imagine he'd be more than ready to
back off a little so he can face Germany. That should leave you a lot
healthier than we had expected.
I'll let you know if I hear anything interesting from F or G.
Later,
Cal
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
Who knows where our illustrious Master is, who can explain this
better than I, but there is a little command called "set wait"
that it is worth knowing about, and its corresponding command
"set nowait".
The "default" is to set nowait, which means that you agree to
allow the moves to process as soon as everyone has orders in.
If you want to submit draft orders and continue to negotiate,
it is better to "set wait" (put this on one line before
beginning your orders after the signon line).
Please, please, please, ask Rick or me if you have any
"process" questions. He took over mastering this series
because he is more Judge savvy than I, but I have mastered
games before too.
Jim Burgess
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Juge Diplomacy wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I tought the deadline was the 30th of june. Was it not? Or did the
> > adjudication phase arrive as soon as all orders are given?
>
> It seems that robot gms like to publish orders as soon as each participant
> has
> submitted a set.... The moral is, if you're not prepared to live with the
> orders
> submitted, don't send them in!
>
Message from Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
> Hi Roland,
>
Greetings!
> I must say I was quite glad to see your move into the Eastern Med. That
> will give Turkey something to think about. Let me know if I can be of any
> assistance. I'll certainly do my best to keep the Turk from making any
> gains against me while you pick away at his belly.
>
Well, I have a Austrian that keeps troubling me. And with the french fleets
in Mid and Spa they threaten my Tun...
> What do you make of the German moves? My first inclination is that the
> moves to Bel & Bur were false and F/G is just hoping to throw attention away
> from their alliance. Germany attacking France when he's already at war with
> England (not to mention my F Stp(sc) & A Sil builds) just doesn't seem to
> make ANY sense at all. Paul's last communication to me certainly indicated
> that he considered Germany & Russia to be at war. I'm betting he won't be
> in Belgium after next turn.
>
I think you might be right. A convoy to Lon from Belgium seems likely.
> Let me know if you hear anything interesting and I'll do the same.
>
> Cal
>
Mvh Roland
Message from Italy to Austria in 'ruffians':
*sigh*
Why did you move to Tri? Now I have to move back to Ven...
Mvh Roland
Message from Italy to France in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
Excuse me but I do not like how you have placed your fleets. Especially
since you did promise not to have two fleets in Mid, Spa and Mar at the same
time.
Mvh Roland
Message from Russia to Italy in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
>Well, I have a Austrian that keeps troubling me. And with the french fleets
>in Mid and Spa they threaten my Tun...
I'm interested in your comment about Austria as I've had an uncomfortable
feeling about him all game long. I think it's in his best interest to keep
working with me (and with you as well), but I just can't shake this funny
feeling of distrust. What has he said that has made you worry?
Cal
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Juge Diplomacy wrote:
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Observer in 'ruffians':
>
> Who knows where our illustrious Master is, who can explain this
> better than I, but there is a little command called "set wait"
> that it is worth knowing about, and its corresponding command
> "set nowait".
>
> The "default" is to set nowait, which means that you agree to
> allow the moves to process as soon as everyone has orders in.
> If you want to submit draft orders and continue to negotiate,
> it is better to "set wait" (put this on one line before
> beginning your orders after the signon line).
>
> Please, please, please, ask Rick or me if you have any
> "process" questions. He took over mastering this series
> because he is more Judge savvy than I, but I have mastered
> games before too.
>
> Jim Burgess
>
Well, well.... This is news to me, rookie in this medium that I am. I'm glad
to hear
of it. Thanks, Jim!
>
> >
> > Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
> >
> >
> > Juge Diplomacy wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I tought the deadline was the 30th of june. Was it not? Or did the
> > > adjudication phase arrive as soon as all orders are given?
> >
> > It seems that robot gms like to publish orders as soon as each participant
> > has
> > submitted a set.... The moral is, if you're not prepared to live with the
> > orders
> > submitted, don't send them in!
> >
Message from Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
> I'm interested in your comment about Austria as I've had an uncomfortable
> feeling about him all game long. I think it's in his best interest to keep
> working with me (and with you as well), but I just can't shake this funny
> feeling of distrust. What has he said that has made you worry?
>
> Cal
>
He keeps trying to trick me... And now he moved to Tri, threatening my Ven.
Mvh Roland
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
Dear Christian;
In my previous letter, I was busily at work and was talking without
a real
chance of even looking at a map. Sorry.
I guess that you might rather support yourself in London than try
for Belgium.
Plus, the Russian A Sil escaped my notice; both Mun and Ber are
threatened!
I will have to guess whether to double support Mun, or cover Berlin from
Kie.
I will still be a healthier ally for you vs. France than John would
be against
me. France should be removing a unit this Winter; I may yet be building
one!
Message from Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
Well, Cal....
I'm finally done with work for the day, and have had time to spot
your A Sil.
That does complicate things a bit, doesn't it? Do I double-support Mun,
or cover
Ber? Or do I say "fuck it" and head for Paris anyway?
Got any three-headed coins?
Message from Russia to Italy in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>He keeps trying to trick me... And now he moved to Tri, threatening my Ven.
Guess he doesn't completely trust either of us. We'll have to watch that.
Cal
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
>Well, well.... This is news to me, rookie in this medium that I am. I'm
glad
>to hear
>of it. Thanks, Jim!
Hey Jim! Since I DID know about Set Wait, does this mean I'm not an e-mail
rookie now?
Tsar Cal
Veteran Tried & True (Especially the True part...)
Message from Germany to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille: I could not help noticing that you wrote, before the moves came
out:
> But I'm more
> troubled concerning France. He is in great situation. I understand that
> you play with him, but I think you don't have to hesitate to ask more
> gains than him....
Then you wrote, after the moves came out, to criticize my attack on France.
Which is your "official" position?
He was offering me NO gains this gameyear at English expense. I was
forced
to fend for myself!
I will hold off the Russian, but it will probably cost me Munich to
Italy or
Austria....
--Paul
Message from Russia to Germany in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Well, Cal....
> I'm finally done with work for the day, and have had time to spot
>your A Sil.
>That does complicate things a bit, doesn't it? Do I double-support Mun,
>or cover
>Ber? Or do I say "fuck it" and head for Paris anyway?
> Got any three-headed coins?
Yeah, took me a bit to figure out that your tactical references seemed to
indicate that you had missed that little baby.
Coins? Try a dart board. That's what we'll be using... <g>
Cal
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> >Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
>
>
> >Well, well.... This is news to me, rookie in this medium that I am. I'm
> glad
> >to hear
> >of it. Thanks, Jim!
>
You're welcome...
>
> Hey Jim! Since I DID know about Set Wait, does this mean I'm not an e-mail
> rookie now?
>
> Tsar Cal
> Veteran Tried & True (Especially the True part...)
>
>
Yes, I'm afraid that's true, Cal, you are NOT an E-Mail rookie
any more.
Jim
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Observer in 'ruffians':
>Yes, I'm afraid that's true, Cal, you are NOT an E-Mail rookie
>any more.
Sigh. All that's left for me now is to bemoan my misspent youth.
(Actually, I bemoan the fact I didn't misspend more of it... <g>)
Cal
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
<<Sigh. All that's left for me now is to bemoan my misspent youth.
(Actually, I bemoan the fact I didn't misspend more of it... <g>)
Cal>>
Well, as I say, when confronted with a choice of two evils, I always pick
the one I haven't tried yet . . .
Chris
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
I think one of the things that I most respect about the way you've played
this game is your care for the long-term. No panty-waist thinking two
seasons ahead for you, no-sir-e-bob! It's refreshing to find someone else
who tries to see the whole ebb and flow of the board and figure out where
it's headed.
Regarding specifically our next set of moves, though, I think you suggested
that I move from Greece to Bulgaria -- alas, I don't actually OWN Greece
yet, so that is out. Moving Serbia to Bulgaria, OTOH, remains an option.
Roland has panicked regarding my move to Trieste -- now I have to calm him
down -- would you mind dropping him a line and telling him I have no hostile
intent to him? far from it!
More and more I am believing that the German stab was genuine -- poorly
timed, but genuine. I remember the first time I was jumped in1902 by A/I,
and it totally caught Me of guard. With us squabling over Trieste, he
probably figured he had another year or 2 before having to worry about it.
I'll keep looking at things, and see what leaps to mind -- can you believe
Christian failed to defend liverpool? Bad enough letting the convoy
succeed, but not moving to yourkshire from Edi! That's not world champ
caliber play, if you ask me! ;)
Best,
Chris
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
>
><<Sigh. All that's left for me now is to bemoan my misspent youth.
>(Actually, I bemoan the fact I didn't misspend more of it... <g>)
>
>Cal>>
>
>Well, as I say, when confronted with a choice of two evils, I always pick
>the one I haven't tried yet . . .
Funny. I always tried to find a way to combine the two... <eg>
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Cal,
>
>I think one of the things that I most respect about the way you've played
>this game is your care for the long-term. No panty-waist thinking two
>seasons ahead for you, no-sir-e-bob! It's refreshing to find someone else
>who tries to see the whole ebb and flow of the board and figure out where
>it's headed.
Heck, that's the only way to play. I remember a bull session at CanCon on
how to play and someone said they couldn't imagine thinking all the way
ahead to end game friom 1901. I told them I couldn't imagine NOT thinking
like that. Oh well, more cannon fodder for me! d;-})
>Regarding specifically our next set of moves, though, I think you suggested
>that I move from Greece to Bulgaria -- alas, I don't actually OWN Greece
>yet, so that is out. Moving Serbia to Bulgaria, OTOH, remains an option.
I'm at work and trying to remember the board. Would you be open to the idea
of supporting my fleet to Bulgaria? If it worked, it would net us BOTH a
centre and hold off Cyrille. If not, the status quo should be maintained
(with you gaining Gre, of course). I'll have to stare at the board some
when I get home tonight to see how feasible this is, but let me know your
initial reaction.
>Roland has panicked regarding my move to Trieste -- now I have to calm him
>down -- would you mind dropping him a line and telling him I have no
>hostile
>intent to him? far from it!
He has already communicated his suspicions to me. I will do my best to cue
him in to your gentle and forgiving nature... <g>
>More and more I am believing that the German stab was genuine -- poorly
>timed, but genuine. I remember the first time I was jumped in1902 by A/I,
>and it totally caught Me of guard. With us squabling over Trieste, he
>probably figured he had another year or 2 before having to worry about it.
>From the three letters I've had from Paul since yesterday, I have to agree
with you that the stab was real. It's his reasoning that I find SURreal.
He either made a real bonehead move or one of incredible subtlety. He SAYS
he's trying to convince England and I that his continued survival can be of
use to us. At first glance, that sounds a bit far out to me. On reflection
however, when you think about the way the rest of the board was shaping up
against F/G, it MAY have been a really, really shrewd move on Paul's part.
He throws what we all thought was the "established scheme of things" into
total chaos and then tries to hang around long enough to pick up the pieces.
Hell of a gamble to take, but it was probably a better move in the long
run. If he had stayed with France, they would have had four other countries
against them. Interesting... If I'm right about that, he's a really scary
player. Of course, maybe it WAS just a bonehead move... <g>
>I'll keep looking at things, and see what leaps to mind -- can you believe
>Christian failed to defend liverpool? Bad enough letting the convoy
>succeed, but not moving to yourkshire from Edi! That's not world champ
>caliber play, if you ask me! ;)
I see your point about the convoy, but isn't he still able to cover
Liverpool in the Fall? Again, I don't have the board in front of me, but I
thought he had an army available.
Talk to you later,
Cal
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
<<I see your point about the convoy, but isn't he still able to cover
Liverpool in the Fall? Again, I don't have the board in front of me, but I
thought he had an army available.>>
DOH! Of course, you are right -- Edi does connect to Liverpool -- I wonder
why I thought it didn't?
In spirit, I have no objections to advancing your fleet to Bulgaria -- it
might be just the solution we need. I'll look it over, and let you know
what I think in more detail, but for now it looks ok!
best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Italy in 'ruffians':
Roland,
I have two things to apologize for -- 1st, for not writing immediately, but
I have had a busy workweek, my wife is pregnant, and I have a head cold.
Not a pleasant combination!
2nd, for the move to Trieste -- You read my confusion at the orders going
through (what I thought was) a week early? I had sketched in those orders
more than a month ago -- you will recall that we had a bit of a dispute over
Trieste in Fall 01? I barely remember it myself, but I must've decided to
cover my bases way back when.
In any case, I do apologize -- Vienna would have suited my purposes better,
you know. I do consider us allies, and want to continue working together.
Let us find a way to resolve this situation without losing a working
relationship. I am working to convice Cal that you should recieve our
support into Munich, which I hope makes up for the unpleasantness of my
being in Trieste.
Assuming we are still working together (!), I have some thoughts on how to
crack Turkey -- Cyrille has gone silent on me, but perhaps he is talking to
you? Clearly you can penetrate the Aegean now, or perhaps attempting a
convoy would be more fruitful? Next year I can leave Greece and move to the
Aegean if that is what needs to happen.
one last time, I am very sorry for the move to Trieste, and not writing
sooner. I think we have a winning alliance, and that we should stick to it,
but I recognize that unplanned for moves and lack of communication are death
to a good relationship. I will endeavor to do better in the future, I don't
play on the judges very much!
Best,
Chris
Message from Italy to Austria in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
Well, we will have to try again the next year. I have to move to Ven now.
And no, I have not heard much from Turkey not a single line since the last
results.
Mvh Roland
Message from Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
Have you heard anything from Austria?
He says he is trying to get you to support me into Mun...
Well, you could do something else this turn. I will have to move to Ven.
Mvh Roland
Message from Austria to Italy in 'ruffians':
hello!
Very well, I understand you have to cover Venice -- so no point in my or Cal
supporting you to Munich, eh?
What shall we do in the south?
Chris
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
The orders that went through were the ones I had written before you joined
the game -- I don't play on the judges either, and expected I had a week to
change them. Why would I lie to you so blatently and so crudely when I had
nothing to gain?
Apologies,
Chris
Message from Russia to Italy in 'ruffians':
>
>Message from [email protected] as Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Greetings!
>
>Have you heard anything from Austria?
>He says he is trying to get you to support me into Mun...
>
>Well, you could do something else this turn. I will have to move to Ven.
He HAS been trying to talk me into supporting you into Munich. I'm just
trying to decide if I want to do that or take a shot at Berlin. I suspect
I'll probably offer the support (if you're interested), but I need to spend
some time staring at the board before I make a decision.
So far he seems sincere. I think the French/German situation has him
wanting to take Turkey down fast so we can resolve the East quickly. After
Turkey goes, I think ONE of us has to watch out. For now though, I'm PRETTY
sure that Venice is safe. It's your decision though on whether or not to
cover it, but it would be nice to see Germany lose something.
Later,
Cal
Message from Italy to Austria in 'ruffians':
No, you two should find something else to do with A Boh and A Sil.
In the south I do not know. I need a build soon to be able to stoop France
from entering the Med.
I expext you want Gre, else we could do like this:
F Eas S F Gre - Aeg, A Tun - Ion - Gre, F Ion C A Tun - Gre.
That way I will be able to use F Ion and a new fleet westward while we take
on Turkey.
Mvh Roland
Message from Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
Well, I do not trust Austria a secons so I will move to Ven. You should try
for Ber.
I would also like to see Germany (and France) lose some, but not to the cost
of Ven.
Mvh Roland
Message from Russia to Italy in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Greetings!
>
>Well, I do not trust Austria a secons so I will move to Ven. You should try
>for Ber.
>I would also like to see Germany (and France) lose some, but not to the
>cost
>of Ven.
Okay, fair enough. I don't want to see Austria grow too fast anyway...
Cal
Message from Austria to Italy and Russia in
'ruffians':
Gentlemen,
The three of us have been negotiating seperately, I thought it might behoove
us to negotiate together!
Cal, Roland has come up with a plan ( which I have modified slightly)
whereby both he and I can get a build, and it leaves him in good position to
go fight France.
It's like this :
we could do like this:
F Eas S F Gre - Aeg, A Tun - Ion - Gre, F Ion C A Tun - Gre.
That way I will be able to use F Ion and a new fleet westward while we take
on Turkey.>>
This was the original plan, and not a bad one. But howabouthis?
Italy:
F Eastmed -> Aegean
F Ionian C A Tunis -> Greece
A Tunis -> Greece
Austria:
F Greece -> Bulgaria
A Serbia S F Greece -> Bulgaria
Russia:
F Rumania -> Black Sea
The Result? Italy builds one, Austria builds one, Turkey down one.
My reasoning is this: With the possibility of the convoy to Smyrna/Syria,
Turkey can't afford to keep fighting Russia -- not aggresively, anyway. He
will most likely turtle up, and try to wait things out until one of us gets
jumpy. The plan would most likely work even without Rumania cutting
possible Black Sea support, but it cannot fail if that attack happens.
This enables Italy to build another Fleet, and me to build another Army, and
for us to start our push through the middle and around both ends in a
co-ordinated fashion.
The only possible downside to this plan would be Turkey supporting Black sea
to Sev, or Bulgaria to Rumania. But these moves can both be effectively
thwarted by
Russia:
A Ukraine S A Sev -> Rum
A Sev -> Rum
When I say effectively thwarted, I mean that either the move to Rumania is
blocked or (in My opinion ;) it should be worth the loss of one SC (sev) to
get a fleet into the Black Sea, yes?
I am all for this plan.
Now, as to the Oktoberfest currently scheduled for Fall 1902 in Munich!
We have 3 units total around munich, which is the same # Germany has
available to defend. But! He has an open center in Paris, he is unlikely
to be dislodged from Belgium, and one of his units SHOULD go to defend
Berlin. This means, that in my mind, ANY supported attack on Munich will go
through, as it will probably hold unsupported. I see germany ordering thus:
A Belgium Hold
A Burgundy -> Paris
A Munich S A Kiel -. Berlin
A Kiel -> Berlin
F Helgoland -> Denmark
Now, if we assume that England and France aren't going to team up against
him, (a moderately safe assumption) then he will gain Belgium and Paris,
and even if he loses Munich, he will build one. If we don't take Munich, he
will be building two, playing one short. The imminant arrival of the
Russian Fleet in the Blatic Sea would make it unlikely that he will hold all
that he has gained in France, but beyond that -- if we don't press our
advantage this season, well, it seems unlikely that we will be AS able to
next. As well, the more the three of us co-operate, the more likely E/F/G
are going to get it into their heads to try and stop us -- so we should be
pressing for Tempo.
Now, Roland, you have expressed concern over my move to Trieste. I have
apologized, but we must deal with the reality of the situation. It is clear
to me that my best interests lie with working with you, Roland. Cal and I
alone would take FOREVER to crack Turkey, and if you were actively helping
Cyrille, well, forget about it! I am, I think, a fairly good player, and I
will not stab for one center in 1902, when I am fairly surrounded by your
units and you have a potential ally who can help you against me immediatly
(Turkey).
I propose that we support you into Munich, giving you TWO builds. I can
think of two other options -- 1) that you move to Piedmont, while I move
Trieste -> Tyrolia, leaving the attack of Germany to Cal and I, whilst you
go against France, 2) you and I bounce in venice, leaving your unit in place
for another attack next season.
Cal, if Roland doens't feel he can accept our support into Munich, I propose
that I Support you in. You bear the brunt of the risks in the south, and I
have explained my reasoning for thinking that Munich will be unsupported.
I am looking forward to speaking to you both again, seperately or together!
Best,
Chris
Message from Italy to Austria and Russia in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
I will go along with the southern part of the plan if Russia does.
However I will still move to Ven, so I suggest that you support A Sil - Mun
instead.
Mvh Roland
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy in
'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Italy to Austria and Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Greetings!
>
>I will go along with the southern part of the plan if Russia does.
>However I will still move to Ven, so I suggest that you support A Sil - Mun
>instead.
I will give a tentative thumbs up to the plan, but I'm at work now and can't
give the board a look. I'll write to both of you tonight.
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
Hi Chris!
"I think we should use all three units on an assault on Munich, but I
respect Roland's reasoning and preference for covering Venice. I'll move to
Munich and we'll see what happens."
For the record, what I wrote in the other letter was, shall we say, "less
than sincere". I think he's being stubborn and unrealistic. What you wrote
about your not being dumb enough to stab for one lousy centre was right on
the mark. We're losing a great chance to make some decent progress and get
a jump on the West (I believe you called it "tempo"?). Well, that's a good
name for it and we're losing a chance to establish it much earlier than one
theatre usually gets a chance.
Let's go along with him for now, but as soon as he gets embroiled with
France, we take him out. I hope to be far enough around in the north that
we won't give ourselves THAT big a disadvantage with the loss of his fleets
in the Med.
Comments?
Cal
Message from Russia to Germany in 'ruffians':
Just wanted to let you know that Nelson Heintzman dropped in to the house
tonight and asked me to say hello from him to you. He saw the board for the
game set up and asked who was playing. I mentioned your name and he said
you guys were friends from way back.
Regards,
Cal
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
My thinking exactly. Italy is a a country to make even the boldest player
twitchy, though! I have two thoughts -- one, I could bounce with him in
Venice -- which doesn't, or shouldn't, change his mind about my potential
threat, right? or, two, let him into Venice and move into Tyrolia myself,
trusting that I will get a build to cover myself from him.
What do you think the odds are that he and Cyrille are getting together? It
would certainly seem worth our while to consider the possibilities of such.
Other than possible Italian treachery, what do you think of the plan as
outlined? Would you be willing to hit hte Black Sea?
What word from the West? I have heard from noone since the last turn!
Chris
Message from Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Wow: This is the only trouble with time (and life)--you run into really great
> people, they become friends, and then they just fade away.... Yes, Nelson is a
> truly decent guy. Tell him hello!
>
> >
> > Just wanted to let you know that Nelson Heintzman dropped in to the house
> > tonight and asked me to say hello from him to you. He saw the board for the
> > game set up and asked who was playing. I mentioned your name and he said
> > you guys were friends from way back.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Cal
Message from England to Germany in 'ruffians':
Hello!
I have to support London this turn. I will tell France that if he convoys
back from me I'll be his friend, wich should mean that he disbands
F Eng probably. That gives me a huge opportunity to attack him...:-)
/Christian
Message from England to Russia in 'ruffians':
Hi Cal!
Well, things changed as you pointed out. Will you line up against Germany
or just watch for an opportun�ty? If F backs off I may very well help you
against Germany. He will be in trouble against France anyway.
/Christian
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
>
> Hello!
>
> I have to support London this turn. I will tell France that if he convoys
> back from me I'll be his friend, wich should mean that he disbands
> F Eng probably. That gives me a huge opportunity to attack him...:-)
>
> /Christian
That's the right idea. I'll have to decide whether to support Mun with Bur
and Kie;
cover Ber with Kie and Mun with Bur; leave Mun to the wolves, and head for
Paris. My inclination is to head for Paris; too much guesswork is involved
in
trying to defend Munich....
If I lose Mun while gaining Bel and Par, I will get another army this
winter.
France brags that just convoying his A Wal-Bre will win him Paris back;
wouldn't he need a support? Assuming that my A Mun is dislodged, it can
retreat to Bur and make me even stronger in France. If he removes F Eng this
Winter, I will move A Bel to Pic in the Spring (to join Par vs. Bre). You
can pick up Bel at that time, as my contribution to you for becoming my ally.
We choke off France quickly, and still hold off the A/I/R/head alliance
before they totally dominate the centerboard. I'm sure that you are wary of
Russian
fleets to your east and Italian fleets to your south!
I will stay in touch! --Paul
Message from England to France in 'ruffians':
Hello!
I want to be your friend. I will obvioulsy support London and cover Lpl
this turn. If you convoy back we can work together, me attacking germany in
the north. Germany will almost certain say that he'll cut Nth, but do not
believe him.
/Christian
Message from England to Germany in 'ruffians':
> We choke off France quickly, and still hold off the A/I/R/head alliance
>before they totally dominate the centerboard. I'm sure that you are wary of
>Russian fleets to your east and Italian fleets to your south!
Uhh, yeah, they�re too many. What does Russia say about the northeast. I
hope you cover Denmark with Heligoland?
By the way, I guess heading for Paris is the better choice as that means
your enemy will have to disband wich is always the better choice.
/Christian
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in 'ruffians':
>Hi Cal!
>
>Well, things changed as you pointed out. Will you line up against Germany
>or just watch for an opportun�ty? If F backs off I may very well help you
>against Germany. He will be in trouble against France anyway.
Further communication with Germany has convinced me that his stab of France
is real, so if he wants to get THAT far out of position, I'm going to go for
the jugular. Germany's, that is... d;-})
I expect to bounce with him in Denmark, but if you'd care to move to Ska and
help me take Den in the Fall, we could remove him as a threat. That would
leave me free to move south and you to move on France (hopefully with
Italy's help).
Comments?
Cal
Message from Turkey to Austria in
'ruffians':
Well Chris, I'm not worry about the last turn. Anyway, if it's a
mistake, due to the lack of knowledge with the judge, I still have
hopes. If it isn't, I can't blame you, I will just die, as Russia has
other business, and that's all. There will be other games...
This turn, I just can propose you to support my F Aegean to Ionian (I
think he'll convoy). With your armies positions, what can I do more?
It's up to you.
Cyrille from Turkey.
Message from Turkey to Russia in
'ruffians':
Hi cal, I will move back of course. As I say, it was my intentions. In
fact, I need an ally to trust to survive, between Austria and Italy, and
I don't want to attack you. With A/I against I, I'm dead, even if you
don't engage in the fight against I. You already have your own war to
lead in the North. But with the German attack of France (nothing was
unbreakable did you say), it will be quite easy now. For me, I can hope
just this turn more, then I will just have to defend my poor centers
during a couple of years.
Good luck for the game.
Cyrille from Turkey.
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
>Cal,
>
>My thinking exactly. Italy is a a country to make even the boldest player
>twitchy, though! I have two thoughts -- one, I could bounce with him in
>Venice -- which doesn't, or shouldn't, change his mind about my potential
>threat, right? or, two, let him into Venice and move into Tyrolia myself,
>trusting that I will get a build to cover myself from him.
I don't see the point in antagonizing him right now. Aside from my obvious
preference for taking a shot at Silesia, why not give him a chance to at
least start heading west? By doing what you propose, you'll scare him into
an alliance with Turkey. We certainly can't stand against that - at least
not without getting bogged down while E/F/G get their houses in order.
>What do you think the odds are that he and Cyrille are getting together?
It
>would certainly seem worth our while to consider the possibilities of such.
Yeah, definitely, but we won't have to speculate for long. If he goes
through with your proposed moves, we'll know, one way or the other.
>Other than possible Italian treachery, what do you think of the plan as
>outlined? Would you be willing to hit hte Black Sea?
So ordered. Obviously, I'm not fussy on the risks, but those moves show the
most promise of taking Turkey down quickly.
>What word from the West? I have heard from noone since the last turn!
I've been talking to Germany who isn't impressed with my unit positioning,
(to say the least) and I just got a very short note from England, noting his
improved lot in life and asking my intentions. Of course, I told him I was
going to attack Germany, grab a couple of dots and then stab you. So, if
that rumour gets back to you, at least you know who started it... d;-})
Later,
Cal
Message from Russia to Germany in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
>>
>> Wow: This is the only trouble with time (and life)--you run into really
great
>> people, they become friends, and then they just fade away.... Yes,
Nelson is a
>> truly decent guy. Tell him hello!
I'll do that when I see him again. He was here in Toronto for the day to do
some gaming and just dropped in, stayed about an hour while I dazzled him
with the wonders of the Internet (he's considering buying a computer) and
left.
Later,
Cal
Message from Turkey to Germany in
'ruffians':
Hi Paul,
of course I believed that France was the main threat, and I just said
that you'd no choice but to play with him. I hope I made a mistake, but
now I think it will be more difficult for you, even if you have one more
unit.
Maybe I'm wrong of course, I nver say I was omniscient.
Message from Turkey to Austria in
'ruffians':
I had a bad look at the map. Of course, you can also take Venice, while
you offer Italy Munich. 2 advantages : Germany will be more resistant to
Russia, and Italy will soon collapse. So we should adopt the tactic I
was talking about last year.
Keep in touch
Cyrille from Turkey.
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy in
'ruffians':
My reply to this message must have gotten lost, as I never received the
confirmation from the Juge. Here's a resend:
>>Message from [email protected] as Austria to Italy and Russia in
>>'ruffians':
>>This was the original plan, and not a bad one. But howabouthis?
<<tactical details snipped>>
>>I am all for this plan.
Okay, I've had a look at the proposed plan and I am willing to go along with
it. Since I am taking the most risk here, I will accept the offer of
support into Munich from Silesia. Since I think less of the odds of this
working than Chris does, I'm also going to ask that I get first
consideration at whatever centre we go for next (strategic amd tactical
considerations permitting). If that's okay with you gents, I'll submit the
suggested orders.
>>Now, as to the Oktoberfest currently scheduled for Fall 1902 in Munich!
<<Tactical notes already rejected by Roland snipped>>
I think we should use all three units on an assault on Munich, but I respect
Roland's reasoning and preference for covering Venice. I'll move to Munich
and we'll see what happens.
Regards,
Cal
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
>
> > Message from [email protected] as England to Germany in 'ruffians':
> >
> > > We choke off France quickly, and still hold off the A/I/R/head alliance
> > >before they totally dominate the centerboard. I'm sure that you are wary of
> > >Russian fleets to your east and Italian fleets to your south!
> >
> > Uhh, yeah, they�re too many. What does Russia say about the northeast. I
> > hope you cover Denmark with Heligoland?
> > By the way, I guess heading for Paris is the better choice as that means
> > your enemy will have to disband wich is always the better choice.
>
> Yes, I want to see France remove 2 units for Par and Bel.
> Russia says that the "deal" with Austria and Italy was planned out long ago,
> and
> he just can't see pulling out of that alliance now.
> Yes, my F Hel is covering Den; that went without saying, but now I've said
> it!
> A Kie will cover Ber, just in case.
--Paul
Message from Germany to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> > Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Germany in
> > 'ruffians':
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> > of course I believed that France was the main threat, and I just said
> > that you'd no choice but to play with him. I hope I made a mistake, but
> > now I think it will be more difficult for you, even if you have one more
> > unit.
> > Maybe I'm wrong of course, I nver say I was omniscient.
>
> England is quite wary of a large Russia to his East, allied to a strong
> Italy to his
> south. He sees that as ample reason to join me vs. France.
> Since I can't take Par, cover Ber AND defend Munich, I have to just let
> Mun
> go....
> I will cover Den and Ber, and take Par/Bel. That should net me a build
> this
> winter! France will remove 2, and not be as tough to defeat as he plans to
> be. In
> fact, he should drop quite quickly. His tough luck.
> France was out of position to help me vs the A/I/R-head alliance, even
> if I did
> stick with him. Plus, I was out of position for him to help me vs.
> England. G/F
> just wasn't going to be of any use to me. Bottom line.
> --Paul
Message from England to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal my friend!
I cannot move to Ska this turn, neither can I support you to Den since I
need my fleet in the north sea to support London and my fleet in Nwy to
support Nth if the German stab should be a read herring (or whatever the
word is in English!). If I see Germany fullfilling his attack against
France we can attack him together. OK? I need to be sure that either France
or Germany is friendly towards me.
/Christian
Message from England to Germany in 'ruffians':
Paul!
>Yes, my F Hel is covering Den; that went without saying, but now I've said
>it!
>A Kie will cover Ber, just in case.
That's good. Russia is definately not on our side, at least not in the long
run.
/Christian
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in 'ruffians':
>Cal my friend!
>
>I cannot move to Ska this turn, neither can I support you to Den since I
>need my fleet in the north sea to support London and my fleet in Nwy to
>support Nth if the German stab should be a read herring (or whatever the
>word is in English!). If I see Germany fullfilling his attack against
>France we can attack him together. OK? I need to be sure that either France
>or Germany is friendly towards me.
That's fair enough. I don't want to see you compromise your security. I
don't think the German stab is a red herring (that the correct phrase), but
we can wait a turn to find out.
Let me know if you hear anything interesting and we'll talk in the Fall.
Cal
Message from Turkey to Austria in
'ruffians':
I have no reply about my last message, so I send it once more.
Here it was:
Well Chris, I'm not worry about the last turn. Anyway, if it's a
mistake, due to the lack of knowledge with the judge, I still have
hopes. If it isn't, I can't blame you, I will just die, as Russia has
other business, and that's all. There will be other games...
This turn, I just can propose you to support my F Aegean to Ionian (I
think he'll convoy). With your armies positions, what can I do more?
It's up to you.
Cyrille from Turkey
More than that, I can support you with A Bul (it's not moving),
supporting A Ser-Rum for instance.
Message from Turkey to Russia in
'ruffians':
Hi cal,
so be sure that I won't attack you this turn, even if some promesses are
done to me. I want to survive a few turns. Then, maybe you will be able
to help me. Indeed, unless you break the I/A team, you'll have no
choice. But now, you don't have to worry about them, I guess, I'm still
alive, at least for the next turn.
Cyrille from Turkey
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
I am sorry -- I did get your message, but it got buried in a mess of
real-life and a bit of a cold, so I haven't gotten back to you -- thanks for
the reminder.
And now my brother and his wife are arriving from Seattle. ! So I will
keep this short -- I will support you into the Ionian to disrupt the convoy,
but I cannot move Serbia to rumania right now. Keep on attacking Russia,
that'll be fine with me, I just can't partake yet!
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris, I understand there is other things than Diplomacy in Life.
(really it's not a joke:-).
So I move F aegean to Ion, but also Arm to Smy, as I need to cover Smy.
Take Ven this turn also.
Cyrille from Turkey
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
Just wanted to repeat a point I made in the last demo game:
Anyone who claims that Judge Diplomacy is faster than snail mail has never
played in a Pouch Demo game...
Cal White
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
<<
Anyone who claims that Judge Diplomacy is faster than snail mail has never
played in a Pouch Demo game...>>
Amen to that brother. This game won't be finished before the technology
advances far enough to make the internet obsolete!
(NO NMR?? Screw that! Play or PAY!)
;)
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Juge Diplomacy wrote:
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Just wanted to repeat a point I made in the last demo game:
>
> Anyone who claims that Judge Diplomacy is faster than snail mail has never
> played in a Pouch Demo game...
>
> Well, I will certainly venture the claim that no PLAYER of Judge Dip is
> necessarily less human than those in snail mail....
--Paul
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
I thought we wanted this game to be a bit slower? I recall at least
one player who didn't want more than one move per week.
Most Judge games go faster than most Judge demo games, it seems.
Rick
Message from Master to Turkey in 'ruffians':
We need your orders for your two armies.
Rick
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Juge Diplomacy wrote:
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Master in 'ruffians':
>
> I thought we wanted this game to be a bit slower? I recall at least
> one player who didn't want more than one move per week.
>
> Most Judge games go faster than most Judge demo games, it seems.
>
> Rick
Don't get me wrong.... I like a slower pace (weekly, bi-weekly) but the killer
delays are what do all games in, email or postal. A postal game of the variant
Colonia VII is now being revived after a nine month (!) hiatus--the GM's
personal
life was a mess, but he wanted to "hang on" to his games. After all that time,
we
now have 4 new players, a new GM, and it took work to get that far. I consider
us
lucky, under the circumstances.
--Paul
Broadcast message from Turkey in
'ruffians':
Hello. Well, I send my orders, as it's seem to hurry. Just a question :
I send a false order, with one unemployed unit, supporting an impossible
move (for that unit). The judge tell me it was a misorder. Of course it
was, but it was just a diplomatic gest. Is there any possibility to say
the judge : take this order into account, even if it's not a valid one?
Thanks for all.
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
Juge Diplomacy writes:
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
> Hello. Well, I send my orders, as it's seem to hurry. Just a question :
> I send a false order, with one unemployed unit, supporting an impossible
> move (for that unit). The judge tell me it was a misorder. Of course it
> was, but it was just a diplomatic gest. Is there any possibility to say
> the judge : take this order into account, even if it's not a valid one?
> Thanks for all.
>
Some types of impossible orders are allowed. Some are not. For
example, any fleet anywhere can write a "convoy" order for any army on
the board. Some kinds of impossible supports are allowed, like
A Bul S A War - Gre, for example. However, A Bul S A Mos - Sev is
not allowed by the Judge.
What's going on here?
In the first case, the Judge does all of its error checking for convoy
routes with the convoying armies. Fleets are allowed to write illegal
convoy orders, but armies are not.
In the second case, the Judge allows any unit to support any action
into a neighboring province. It basically only checks whether the
target province is next to the province containing the supporting unit
(putting aside for now the question of unit type.) Thus, even though
it is impossible to order A Warsaw -> Greece, the army in Bulgaria
could be given this order. It would not allow A Bul S A Mos - Sev
because it checks to see if Bulgaria is next to Sevasatpol. Once it
sees that this is not the case, the support is not allowed.
So, some kind of joke orders can be parsed by the Judge and used by
players, while others cannot. The distinction between the different
types is somewhat arbitrary.
Rick
Broadcast message from Turkey in
'ruffians':
Well, it's a hard game for me. The main difference with FTF, that I use
to practice, is that you can never "put the pressure" over a player, and
look at him when he gives his orders, to see whether he's stabbing you
ot not. Nevertheless, it's probably more diplomatic, but I don't think
there is as many turnovers of ally during the game, as there is in FTF.
Retreats
Message from Turkey to Italy in
'ruffians':
Hi Roland,
I was quite surprise about your move A Tunis to Greece.
I don't think I would have answer positively, but you could ask me to
support you. I have no news at you, or very little, since the date I
join the game. I am open to negociation, but we need to be at least two
to negociate!
Good luck,
Cyrille from Turkey.
Message from Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
Here he comes... Austria has been looking for an oppurtunity to stab me
since the beginning. Now he could not wait any longer.
I need help!
I hope you could do something...
Mvh Roland
Message from Italy to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Hi Roland,
Greetings!
> I was quite surprise about your move A Tunis to Greece.
I understand that. :-)
> I don't think I would have answer positively, but you could ask me to
> support you.
Well, it all was a plan together with Austria. But he stabed me. It was
meant that he should have taken Bul from you...
>I have no news at you, or very little, since the date I
> join the game. I am open to negociation, but we need to be at least two
> to negociate!
The same to you! :-)
I am in your power right now, what can I offer you to make you stop gunning
ofr my centers?
> Good luck,
> Cyrille from Turkey.
>
Mvh Roland / Italy
Message from Turkey to Italy in
'ruffians':
Hello again Roland,
now I saw the results. I guess you'd better have one more army and one
less fleet. Of course, we will find an agreement to change the position
of our fleets, and now that french maritime power is no more a threat,
you need land power. So, I think the best retreat is a destruction,
followed by the build of an army
Good luck
Cyrille from Turkey
Message from Turkey to Russia in
'ruffians':
Hi Cal,
now we're in better position.
I hope that you will not repeat your last turn's support. Cause maybe
one day Austria will do it. You see I move back Caucasia. As soon as I
could, I suggest we both leave the Black Sea. You have your own war in
Germany, and I don't think you'll be in a better situation with a dead
Turkey and a strong Austria. With me, there's a balance in the South;
without me, Austria will have to choose, but with YOU in Germany, it
will be the same for him to move in Russia or in Germany.
Good luck
Cyrille from Turkey
Message from Turkey to Austria in
'ruffians':
Hi Chris,
not a bad turn in fact. Thanks to support me, even if the convoy was not
in Smyrna or Syria, but in ... Greece. Anyway, it was nice to me,
especially because now, Italy will probably destroy and build an army.
So it will be harder for you. I will try to thank you, acting (ie moving
and negociating) in your way. We'll see later.
Good luck
Cyrille from Turkey
Adjustments
Message from Russia to Italy in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Greetings!
>
>Here he comes... Austria has been looking for an opportunity to stab me
>since the beginning. Now he could not wait any longer.
>
>I need help!
>I hope you could do something...
I'll see what I can do. Austria has been less than honest with both of us.
I really thought he was sincere about not trying for Venice. I suggest we
both work on Turkey.
I'll let you know what I hear.
Cal
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in
>'ruffians':
>
>Hi Cal,
>now we're in better position.
>I hope that you will not repeat your last turn's support. Cause maybe
>one day Austria will do it. You see I move back Caucasia. As soon as I
>could, I suggest we both leave the Black Sea. You have your own war in
>Germany, and I don't think you'll be in a better situation with a dead
>Turkey and a strong Austria. With me, there's a balance in the South;
>without me, Austria will have to choose, but with YOU in Germany, it
>will be the same for him to move in Russia or in Germany.
Actually, I think that, after that last turn, we have LOTS to talk about.
Like our respective futures....
Austria has not been at all honest in his dealings with either myself or
Italy since the start of the game. I, for one, don't like having someone
next to me who cannot be counted on to tell ANY truths. It's just too
dangerous.
Here's what I propose: how about you and I just go right back to the start
and forget what happened between myself and your predecessor? I suggest we
team up and remove a very dangerous and untrustworthy enemy in Austria.
With our position, we can do this fairly quickly and still be able to fight
the Western powers (who are in real chaos right now).
If you're interested, we can try to work out some tactics. Please let me
know what you think of this idea.
cal
Message from Italy to Russia in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
> I'll see what I can do. Austria has been less than honest with both of us.
> I really thought he was sincere about not trying for Venice. I suggest we
> both work on Turkey.
>
Yes, but I do not have many untis to do anything with. Any plans?
> I'll let you know what I hear.
>
Good, m too.
> Cal
Mvh Roland
Message from Italy to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Hello again Roland,
Greetings!
> now I saw the results. I guess you'd better have one more army and one
> less fleet. Of course, we will find an agreement to change the position
> of our fleets, and now that french maritime power is no more a threat,
> you need land power. So, I think the best retreat is a destruction,
> followed by the build of an army
Good suggestion, sorry I did not receive your letter before deadline.
What can we do this year?
I hope you do nothing to help Austria.
> Good luck
> Cyrille from Turkey
>
Mvh Roland
Message from France to Russia in 'ruffians':
Russia: with Germany's build, deaspite your taking Munich, he will likely
boot you out of Munich in the spring. Would you consider using A MUN to hit
BUR so that that support is cut and I can throw him out of Paris? That mean
he will not build next year, and you will have an ally (me) who is hell-bent
on revenge and in a position to deliver it.
-France
Message from Russia to France in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as France to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Russia: with Germany's build, deaspite your taking Munich, he will likely
>boot you out of Munich in the spring. Would you consider using A MUN to hit
>BUR so that that support is cut and I can throw him out of Paris? That mean
>he will not build next year, and you will have an ally (me) who is
>hell-bent
>on revenge and in a position to deliver it.
Sounds like it should be a go. I'm at work now and don't have a board.
I'll let you know (probably later on tonight) if I can do this, but it looks
feasible.
Cal
Message from France to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Sounds like it should be a go. I'm at work now and don't have a board.
> I'll let you know (probably later on tonight) if I can do this, but it
looks
> feasible.
well you've got a lone army in Munich with no units to support it. He's got
an army in BER, BUR and KIE after his builds :) so we got one chance to put
your army to good use and cost him a center
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
Dear Chris:
I have to cover both Kie and Den vs. the Russians this coming
Spring. If you
could spare your F Nth to support my F Hel-Den, it would free my A Kie
to support
A Ber-Mun (on the supposition that Russia might order F Baltic-S-A
Mun-Kie).
If necessary, I'd rather support YOU into Den than allow Russia
into there....
If your F Nwy cut Swe, it might increase the odds of F Nth-Den
succeeding. Then
again, if Russia doesn't build in StP your F Nwy could sail into the
Russian home
dot, couldn't it?
I can control France by hitting Pic with Bel, and Gas with Bur.
Both his
possible supports for an attack on Paris would be cut.
The I/A moves were certainly strange, and only partly coordinated
at that. Did
they just invite Russia to move into the centerboard and then turn their
backs? What
is in it for them to have the Tsar's troops virtually in an arc over
their northern
frontier?
Turkey's diplomatic endeavors with Austria seem to have fallen on
deaf ears.
Is Austria really so committed to Russia advancing to his east as well
as to his
north?
Risky business!
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
>From an almost silent admirer:
Very ruff indeed!
Sincerely, Felix
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
I think you should have a look at a game I'm in Gm'ed by Toby Harris -- OH
my GOhD! I haven't seem so many stabs since Ceaser went under the knife!
Chris
Message from Russia to France in 'ruffians':
Just checked the board. 99% I'll make the move to Burgandy. Can't see
anything that will stop it and I'll warn you if I change my mind.
Cal
Message from Turkey to Italy in
'ruffians':
Hi Roland,
sorry for the mistake. I didn't knew that (A Tun - Gre) was a negociate
move. As I say, I use to play FTF games, short by nature (7 or 8 years).
So, I know only some Lepanto's way. I must recognize that for me, most
of the time, a Lepanto ends in Austria:-), cause Turkey is too far, and
too strong in defense.
According to negociation, the previous message that I receive from you
was the one saying that you were considering the France's situation, ans
since now, nothing. It's true that I don't mail you, but you were
attacking you, and I didn't want to lie too much. My intention was to
attack Ionian ( I guess your convoy was in Syria), and so I ask Austria
for a support. Anyway, without an help, with 3 hostile neighbors, I am
dead. A strong argument was the fact that, as I would never let BlaS
empty, Italy would gain all my centers, nothing for the other guys:-)
Now, I must look carefully at the map, but I don't think I will stab
Austria. But it is possible for me to help him, not really
efficiently:-)
Keep in touch
cyrille from Turkey
Message from Turkey to Russia in
'ruffians':
Hi Cal,
thanks for the fast reply. I think that now Austria is not really
poupular versus you and Italy. I agree with you. We should forget our
old problems. But I have a question : why did you send your FLEET in
Rumania. There, a fleet can act ONLY against Turkey. You need an army to
have an action versus Austria. It's probably a reason also for the past
R/T war. As soon as possible, I think a good idea would be the
destruction of this fleet, followed by the build of an army, but this is
another story. Before that, I think you need to envisage to shift the
position of your units. Unless that, what can we do?
Possibly, you can then move F Rum-Sev, A Ukr-Sev, and A Sev-Ukr. With
your present position, what can we do directly against Austria? Of
course, we need to find some arrangments, cause I don't think such a
move is possible, unless you ask it NICELY to Austria:-)
I need to think at the board game. Let me know about your ideas.
Keep in touch
cyrille from Turkey
Message from Turkey to Austria in
'ruffians':
Hi Chris,
it seems that you're not really popular in Russia and Italy ( for him, I
must say that I can understand :-) ). Nevertheless, I choose you as an
ally, and I will try to do the game. In fact, it's more you that choose
me as an ally, thanks for that. The main opportunities of gain are
against Russia, for me, and Italy for you. I'm sure we would easily find
a way to take advantage of our position, especially with Russia fighting
Germany, strong in power, but weak by his position. France probably lose
the game, and he'll surely do all that he can for anybody, at the only
condition that it is against Germany. Unfortunately, I'm too far to take
advantage of it:-)
You'll talk more after the builds.
Keep in touch
Cyrille from Turkey
Message from Italy to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Hi Roland,
Greetings!
> sorry for the mistake. I didn't knew that (A Tun - Gre) was a negociate
> move. As I say, I use to play FTF games, short by nature (7 or 8 years).
> So, I know only some Lepanto's way. I must recognize that for me, most
> of the time, a Lepanto ends in Austria:-), cause Turkey is too far, and
> too strong in defense.
Yes, I know. But I always try to figure out new things to do. :-)
> According to negociation, the previous message that I receive from you
> was the one saying that you were considering the France's situation, ans
> since now, nothing.
I know I am sorry for that. I did not think I had much to say. Had decided
to go with Austria.
>It's true that I don't mail you, but you were
> attacking you, and I didn't want to lie too much. My intention was to
> attack Ionian ( I guess your convoy was in Syria), and so I ask Austria
> for a support. Anyway, without an help, with 3 hostile neighbors, I am
> dead.
I perfectly understand! And would have done the same.
>A strong argument was the fact that, as I would never let BlaS
> empty, Italy would gain all my centers, nothing for the other guys:-)
Thank you! :-)
> Now, I must look carefully at the map, but I don't think I will stab
> Austria. But it is possible for me to help him, not really
> efficiently:-)
Great, that is all I ask at the moment!
> Keep in touch
> cyrille from Turkey
>
Mvh Roland / Italy
Message from Italy to Austria in 'ruffians':
I hope you realise that you have let Turkey out of his corner and that he
soon will have you surrounded.
/Roland
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Hey you Francophiles out there: what sounded wiser to you? France
getting +2
and Germany none (or -1), or Germany +1 and France -1. Under the
circumstances,
which choice would you have made?
It was a no-brainer, but it wasn't at all stupid!
Message from Turkey to Germany in
'ruffians':
I don't know from who you heard that you were stupid! For me, I deny.
No, I never say such a thing. I was not aware of your negociations with
France. Actually, it's the only player I think I've never talk with. My
opinion is just that the best thing for both of you was to stick
together. For you, cause I guess it was your best chance to survive. But
now that I'm alive again, with the Austrian's stab, you'll feel better I
guess, cause Russia may be in trouble. Of course, it was really
depending on France's attitude. If I were playing France, with such a
weakness in my center, cover by my ally, I would have help him a lot,
giving him the first english centers to survive, or better giving him
Belgium, but after negociation!
Anyway, good luck for the game
Cyrille from Turkey.
Message from Turkey to France in
'ruffians':
Hello,
how is the weather in France? Don't worry, we use to meet German armies
in France:-) You just have to wait for the americans, cause this time I
don't think England will be with you, at least until a couple of years.
Good luck,
Cyrille from Turkey.
Message from Germany to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> Cyrille: That was the funny thing. France assumed that I was still
> fanatically anti-
> England, even though I had a Russian F StPsc to deal with. He never
> breathed a
> hint of supporting my F Nth-Lon (the only anti-Eng option left to me last
> Spring)
> so I assumed the worst--that he might be joining Russia in the middle!
> Evidently, he expected me to just move F Nth-Nwg and just "keep Eng A
> Edi
> busy." That wasn't good enough for me with the wolf at my door, and he
> should
> have recognized that.
> You know, he COULD still talk me into pulling A Bur back into Munich,
> and
> Paris into Bur. But no word since he called my stab "the stupidest he has
> seen in
> 10 years." That indicated to me that he didn't take me seriously (or was
> prone to
> overstatement.)
> No, I am no angry with you. I'll keep at least half of the Russian
> units busy, so
> that you have a chance!
> I DO wish that Austria would have told me that he was pulling back last
> Spring.
> I could have supported myself in Munich!
> Good luck on your end! --Paul
>
> Juge Diplomacy wrote:
>
> > Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Germany in
> > 'ruffians':
> >
> > I don't know from who you heard that you were stupid! For me, I deny.
> > No, I never say such a thing. I was not aware of your negociations with
> > France. Actually, it's the only player I think I've never talk with. My
> > opinion is just that the best thing for both of you was to stick
> > together. For you, cause I guess it was your best chance to survive. But
> > now that I'm alive again, with the Austrian's stab, you'll feel better I
> > guess, cause Russia may be in trouble. Of course, it was really
> > depending on France's attitude. If I were playing France, with such a
> > weakness in my center, cover by my ally, I would have help him a lot,
> > giving him the first english centers to survive, or better giving him
> > Belgium, but after negociation!
> >
> > Anyway, good luck for the game
> >
> > Cyrille from Turkey.
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Well, I imagine I am not too popular in the halls of the October Palace
Right now, but I thought I might offer up an explanation as to why I didn't
give you a 'heads up' on my change of plans before it went through.
And I did start to write that letter -- but then, I thought again, and I
said to myself -- "What good will this do?" By my reasoning, Munich would
still be undefended (Called that, didn't I?), so you would get your build.
Aside from giving you the opportunity to talk me OUT of the decision, what
would telling you I was turning on Roland do?
Lets examine that decision for a moment. It all hinges on Roland's
unwillingness to keep moving forward, and his desire for Greece. Neither of
these decisions are good ones, in my opinion, and Both of them waste time
that we are going to need if we are to take advantage of the confusion in
the West. So, Do I want an ally who makes Bad decisions, wastes time, and
keeps me Boxed in?
No, I don't. Now, lets take another look at the board. I don't like stabs
that net 0 centers, and that is what this appears to be on the surface of
it. However, I am counting on two things -- 1. Italy's forces are
scattered, and he is unable to defend himself. 2. Turkey's forces are
scattered, and he is unable to defend himself. THREE things 3. You and I
have had good relations from the beginning, and between us, we can handle
Turkey, Italy and Germany.
My plan, and I think it is a good one( heheheh ;) is to string Turkey
along for one season -- maybe two, depends. With Cyrille disrupting the
Ionian, I should be able to get armies into the Boot, and that'll be all she
wrote for Roland, mvh. Cyrille cannot defend himself -- if you slip an army
into Armenia now, and in the fall I show him the knife by taking Bulgaria,
his brief expansionary thrust will be over.
In the end, I had to go after Italy or You to have avenues to expand. You
have fertile pastures in the north and in Germany to occupy you now, while I
can pursue a meditteranean campaign. I think this makes for a stronger
alliance than A/I/R, especially with Roland so far behind our tactical
curve.
In any case, this move was in no way intended to harm you, or our
relationship, which, needless to say, I regard as the most important one I
have. I apologize if the shock of this was unpleasant, but I think that
looking at the board, you will agree that the situation is a workable one.
Please let me know your thoughts upon this change in the wind,
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Italy in 'ruffians':
<<I hope you realise that you have let Turkey out of his corner and that he
soon will have you surrounded.
/Roland>>
I hope you realize that you could be in Munich and Syria, and I could be in
Bulgaria and Greece -- instead of here!
Chris
Message from Italy to Austria in 'ruffians':
> I hope you realize that you could be in Munich and Syria, and I could be in
> Bulgaria and Greece -- instead of here!
>
> Chris
Could I? Do not think so... You have been trying to trick me from the
start.
/Roland
Message from Austria to Italy in 'ruffians':
<<Could I? Do not think so... You have been trying to trick me from the
start.
/Roland>>
As this is a pouch demo game, my press will be available at the end, and you
will see that this is as far from the truth as can be. I have had nothing
but friendly intentions to you, even though you attacked me right off the
bat.
Too bad.
Chris
Message from Italy to Austria in 'ruffians':
> As this is a pouch demo game, my press will be available at the end, and you
> will see that this is as far from the truth as can be. I have had nothing
> but friendly intentions to you, even though you attacked me right off the
> bat.
>
Attacked? My move to Tri was part of a plan for us both.
> Too bad.
>
> Chris
/Roland
Message from Austria to Italy in 'ruffians':
"Planned" !?! I don't think so!
<<The bounce in Tri, it was not meant as a stab. You have offered it to me a
couple of times and you did not sayI could not have it when I asked you.
Mvh Roland>>
This was your explination after you moved to Trieste -- and I don't buy it
today. One does not assume a move to someone's home center is OK because
they didn't say "NO, YOU MAY NOT MOVE THERE, NOW OR EVER!"
As for that, why then get so upset with the move to Trieste on my part? It
was intended to do two things, as I have said before -- 1) move to serbia,
after serbia moved to Bulgaria, and 2) Make Sure you didn't decide to move
to Trieste again -- heck, I hadn't told you NOT to, right?
So now we fight. I would rather not be here, but after the fiasco of Fall
1901, and then your refusal to continue with the plan to attack Germany, I
didn't see any other choice for me. I'll take my chances with Cyrille.
Best,
Chris
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
Sorry guys, didn't read the deadline and thought I had more time.
Cal