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Message from Italy to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Greetings!
For this turn I suggest the following:
F Tys - Nap
A Tun - Gre
F Ion C A Tun - Gre
F Aeg S A Tun - Gre
F Bul(sc) S A Tun - Gre
This way I get Gre and you might get Nap. If not I can build in Nap.
Ok?
The Pope
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
What's up? Why not retreat to Naples?
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris, I'm quite busy at the moment. But you must understand that I
want to ensure that Italy (and his fleet that you graciously ask him
to send in Aegean:-) ) will not move against me. Now, I'm quite sure of what
he'll do. I will support you in Greece, while you let me take
Naples, and cut the support of Rum (maybe you'll even get there). Sorry, but
the inconvenient of PBM games is here : you said last time that you'd no
time to talk, so couldn't help me and as I don't see you, I don't know if it
was true, or if you just wanted to let me wait. Now, I ask for a sign of
truth. Is Russia really your former (and not current) ally?
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
Yes, I am through with Cal -- he has given up on this game, and would be a
terrible ally. I will support you into Naples, and attack Rumania
again. --- this is what you want, yes?
Chris
Message from Master to Russia in 'ruffians':
I'm feeling really bad about how the Judge ruined the game for you.
I have looked bad at the particular move where you wanted to go to
Bulgaria and I think that would have made a significant difference in
the position. (Yes, a 2-SC turnaround, in fact).
I appreciate your willingness to stick with the game. My only
consolation is that this is merely a demo game and not a tournament
game. My problem at the time was that I did not have any confirmation
that you had changed your orders, and I did not feel that I could
rollback without a confirmation.
I write this letter so it will show up in the record when it
eventually comes out.
Rick
p.s. I've noticed the Pouchtoo web page is finally on display at the
Pouch. I need to make a more general announcement.
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Fine.
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
Anything else we need to discuss? Germany wrote and offered to send some
armies east to help "the russian situation" I told him to forget it, but he
should be moving our way soon, and I expect England in the Med next year.
Do you need Rumania's support cut again? I so, no problem, that is the
order as it stands, but if you don't, then I'd like to cover Serbia,
Best,
Chris
Message from Russia to Master in 'ruffians':
I appreciate the note, Rick. I just want to reiterate the fact that I know
it wasn't anything you could have prevented or rectified as GM. When the
turn processed with the old orders and I had no proof of my amended moves, I
knew you wouldn't be able to replay the turn. The blame, such as it is, is
entirely on the FROG Judge.
Thanks again,
Cal White
> Message from [email protected] as Master to Russia in
'ruffians':
>
> I'm feeling really bad about how the Judge ruined the game for you.
> I have looked bad at the particular move where you wanted to go to
> Bulgaria and I think that would have made a significant difference in
> the position. (Yes, a 2-SC turnaround, in fact).
>
> I appreciate your willingness to stick with the game. My only
> consolation is that this is merely a demo game and not a tournament
> game. My problem at the time was that I did not have any confirmation
> that you had changed your orders, and I did not feel that I could
> rollback without a confirmation.
>
> I write this letter so it will show up in the record when it
> eventually comes out.
>
> Rick
> p.s. I've noticed the Pouchtoo web page is finally on display at the
> Pouch. I need to make a more general announcement.
Message from Italy to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Why did you not answer?
The Pope
Retreats
Message from Germany to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Dear Cyrille:
I think you have the German/Austrian war that you wanted. Please
don't retreat
to Sil or Pru and confuse the situation! In the Spring, my plan is to
move A Mun-
Boh and A Ber-Mun to beef up my forces around Tyrolia.
Paul
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
Christian:
Well, I got Brest anyway.... I will build an army in Ber, and move
against Austria in the Spring.
My plan for France is simple; to support myself back into Gas and
to continue
trying for Mar. You might be able to pull off a convoy to Portugal, if
France is to
remain so fixated on stopping me!
Paul
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Berlin to Vienna: So...you feel that the game has been too quiet for
you?
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
Dear Christian:
So you decided to cut off your attack on Russia entirely? That's
fine with me, but did you HAVE to move another fleet to Nth? All this
traffic around the Low
Countries could make a man nervous, especially when he's not allowed to
use his
only fleet to defend them!
Paul
Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
I will see where MAO retreats and after that I will have to figure out
wether to try for Portugal, or if he retreats there I might be able to move
to WES and follow up to MAO. We�ll see.
/Christian
Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
Don't be nervous. The fleet will be going straight to ENG or London if I
cannot vacate Eng. I decided to call off the attack on Russia as he needs
to be defending against your enemy Austria. We have worked this out fine,
he doesn't move to Stp and everything is happy. You and I can force StP
sooner or later if we want to.
/Christian
>Dear Christian:
>
> So you decided to cut off your attack on Russia entirely? That's
>fine with me, but did you HAVE to move another fleet to Nth? All this
>traffic around the Low
>Countries could make a man nervous, especially when he's not allowed to
>use his
>only fleet to defend them!
>
>Paul
Message from Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
Quiet? anything but! Look at me, no allies and enemies all around! Whee!
This should be over quick! What was up with F Denmark -> keil, anyway?
Chris
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Well! That went well! Again, apologies for the support being cut last
season, but there you go. Back in the saddle and all that.
I think it might be a good time to set the board up -- do you have Diplo?
(Its a computer program which adjudiactes the game, very useful tool for the
e-dipper!)
The question is what do we build now? Cyrille's support of Italy is the
last straw -- I could've bounced him from naples, didn't, and this is the
thanks I get? So the south is a problem, but he is badly out of position,
and I can take Naples from him this year, which will hurt him more. You can
take Sev back, and I think Should! That leaves Cyrille at 3, and hopefully
he wont get any more.
I would've liked to build a fleet -- someone down here is going to have to
soon! France's 2 unit combo, supported by Italy in Marsaille, will be tough
to crack, but it'll fall eventually if I dont get to the Westmed/North
Africa. With Cyrille retreating to Galicia (almost Certainly, don't you
think?) I have to build A Vienna -- I have wasted a lot of time with that
unit that is now in Serbia -- Although I COULD use it to take Bulgaria now,
I think I'd better head back north with it. I Almost moved to Galicia, but
decided the chance of Turkish treachery was too great.
So you build either Army or Fleet StPete. Boy, a fleet NC would really ruin
England's day -- but you have no support to back it up. F SC is a good
anti-german move, and there you have some support. An Army might be the
thing, it can go either way, and another army against germany is certainly
going to be necessary soon or late.
Let me knw what you think about all this -- I think this game still has a
lot of play to it!
Chris
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Nice try Chum. I give you one last chance -- disband the army which is
retreating from Warsaw, and re-build it as a fleet. If you do this, you and
I can easily stop the English. if you don't, you will lose Naples and Sev
next year, and to heck with the English, I am going to make sure you aren't
in my rear to screw me up AGAIN. That support was a really bad move. As if
I would let it succeed. ;)
Seriously, are you trying to play for part of a 3 way draw? there is no way
you can get to the 13 center stalemate line before Germany is across it --
without my help!
So this is it -- if you don't disband that army during retreats, I will be
coming after you with everything I have. I have Russia on board -- he is
willing to let you KEEP sev if you do what I suggest. You make the call --
a 3 center Italian ally (maybe -- I wonder if he wants to keep Marseilles?
I wonder if He'd like Naples back?), and two big enemies who have much
better position, or a 3 way alliance dedicated to stopping E/G -- you'll get
Bulgaria back, and Tunis in the deal -- then I can concentrate on the German
front.
You make the call!
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Italy in 'ruffians':
Hey Roland!
Well, I think we both came out ok in that last exchange, but any more games
and we're both going to be in trouble. I have an interest in keeping you in
Marsaille, and you have an interest in keeping Bulgaria. If we can work
together -- if you will trust me to follow my own best interest -- then we
can both gain.
In short, I want to put the hurt on Cyrille. He has done me wrong every
season since he took over Turkey, and I have had enough. We have had our
differences, but I think that now we should put them aside.
Retreat to the Eastern med. That gives us FOUR units on turkey. if you
will retreat to the Eastern med, we should be able to take Turkey down
fast.
I have been trying to convince cyrille that England is a real threat -- and
that he should build fleets to stop him -- but he gives me this kind of hard
time instead. I can't build fleets fast enough, and besides I need to stop
Germany in Tyrolia/bohemia. So, I would like to get you back in the game --
to build the fleets we will need to blockade the Med.
If you will do this -- and I realize that you'll be taking a chance, and you
have options where you can keep fighting me -- then I will convoy your army
in Tunis back to Naples. You will need to disband the fleet in Bulgaria,
but I can move my army Serbia in. Naples will keep you at Three, and then
you;ll start getting builds from Turkey.
Yes, I could betray you, but not and Keep England out of the Med. that has
to be at the top of my list -- there is nothing else stoping him!
Think about it, Roland -- I can only keep Marsaille alive so long before I
will have to commit that unit to defense.
Let me know.
Best,
Chris
Message from Italy to Austria in 'ruffians':
> In short, I want to put the hurt on Cyrille. He has done me wrong every
> season since he took over Turkey, and I have had enough. We have had our
> differences, but I think that now we should put them aside.
>
> Retreat to the Eastern med. That gives us FOUR units on turkey. if you
> will retreat to the Eastern med, we should be able to take Turkey down
> fast.
>
> I have been trying to convince cyrille that England is a real threat -- and
> that he should build fleets to stop him -- but he gives me this kind of hard
> time instead. I can't build fleets fast enough, and besides I need to stop
> Germany in Tyrolia/bohemia. So, I would like to get you back in the game --
> to build the fleets we will need to blockade the Med.
>
> If you will do this -- and I realize that you'll be taking a chance, and you
> have options where you can keep fighting me -- then I will convoy your army
> in Tunis back to Naples. You will need to disband the fleet in Bulgaria,
> but I can move my army Serbia in. Naples will keep you at Three, and then
> you;ll start getting builds from Turkey.
>
> Yes, I could betray you, but not and Keep England out of the Med. that has
> to be at the top of my list -- there is nothing else stoping him!
>
> Think about it, Roland -- I can only keep Marsaille alive so long before I
> will have to commit that unit to defense.
>
> Let me know.
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
You are right about the English threat. And also Germany is a big threat.
Especially if he manages to grab centers while England do not.
And I could work with you. However, you have to show me that you want it
first. You have taken my homeland and thrown me out of Ion. If you help me
keep Mar and give me Nap back, I might consider helping you with Turkey.
The Pope
Message from Turkey to Austria and Russia in
'ruffians':
Chris, it was the first time I play with you, and nearly
my first email game. Maybe my style of play is not good
in PBM games, but I can say, and many other players would
agree, that I nearly never lie. I just try to influence my
allies' moves in my way. About you, you lie to me many
times, and the real turn I needed your help, you don't
answer to me, arguing you were too busy. I always try to
play with an ally. Arriving late in the game, I try to play
with you. It was a mistake. Now, England is your problem,
and as I already have 3 fleets, I must think that the only
way you ask me for one more fleet is to grab me faster, not
to stop him. Thanks for the attention, and good luck in
the game.
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Well, it seems that you had an agreement in the North with
England. Now, you'll have to choose between A and E. I just
want to say that I know Christian, and he is more trustable,
according to me. he is a good tactician, and play with it
of course but, as I saw Chris lying, at least on one little
point, every turn, you'd better choose him. I rereat in
Galicia, but be sure that I'll have other things to do
than moving against you. If you've got any idea, don't
hesitate to ask me. I really needed one ally, and as it
seems you and Chris were not interested, I try Italy, even
if he was quite weak. It fakes, now I'll defend the best I can.
But, as you see, I achieve his plan, even if it was less
sure than taking Greece with the fleet, as I ask him to.
Chris is quite weak in his home country, with more armies in
Italy. Depending on his build, we could consider an attack
of your armies over Galicia, and I'll retreat where I can.
Or we could attack Budapest, or whatever you think. Anyway,
with our numerous armies, there will be a great chance of gain.
Whatever happens, I'll let you Sev, convoying my army back.
Tell me what you think. If you prefer go with Austria, I
understand. Anyway, the 2 months of vacancy, added to the start
of the WorldEmailDip Tournament, and my new job, are enough
occupate my time, so I'll resign this game.
Cyrille.
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in
'ruffians':
> I think it might be a good time to set the board up -- do you have
Diplo?
> (Its a computer program which adjudiactes the game, very useful tool for
the
> e-dipper!)
When I'm at work, I use one of the Java maps on the net. I'd like to use
Net Mapper, but it seems to have stopped working.
> The question is what do we build now? Cyrille's support of Italy is
the
> last straw -- I could've bounced him from naples, didn't, and this is
the
> thanks I get? So the south is a problem, but he is badly out of
position,
> and I can take Naples from him this year, which will hurt him more. You
can
> take Sev back, and I think Should! That leaves Cyrille at 3, and
hopefully
> he wont get any more.
Well, I guess it's not just me who should check the game more often. I'm
not going to get any builds here as I'm still at four: war, stp, mos, rum.
IF I can
get Sev back and not lose Rum (you can help me with that), I can build and
maybe get back into the game a little.
> I would've liked to build a fleet -- someone down here is going to
have
to
> soon! France's 2 unit combo, supported by Italy in Marsaille, will be
tough
> to crack, but it'll fall eventually if I dont get to the Westmed/North
> Africa. With Cyrille retreating to Galicia (almost Certainly, don't you
> think?) I have to build A Vienna -- I have wasted a lot of time with
that
> unit that is now in Serbia -- Although I COULD use it to take Bulgaria
now,
I think you could probably help me with it by supporting me into Bul this
turn. That's one way to make sure I get a build whether or not I lose
rum/gain sev. Yes, I do think Gal is a certainty and that we do need to be
concerned about E/G. With you not able to trust or work with I or T, you're
going to need my help, not to mention St Pete's as a building spot. We'll
see what plays out this Winter, but I think you're going to have to help me
get re-established if you want to have any chance of stopping E/G.
Yeah, I'm still pissed off, but I guess I may as well get back in the game
mentally as well as physically.
> I think I'd better head back north with it. I Almost moved to
Galicia,
but
> decided the chance of Turkish treachery was too great.
Understandable.
> Let me knw what you think about all this -- I think this game still
has
a
> lot of play to it!
Like I said, I may as well get back in the game if I'm going to have to keep
setting the damned board up... d;-})
Cal
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Quiet? anything but! Look at me, no allies and enemies all around!
You get what you pay for....
This should be over quick!
I'll try to help out to make that prediction come true!
What was up with F Denmark -> keil, anyway?
England wants to keep my only fleet pinned where it can do no harm to him.
I'd rather see him invite my F Kiel-Den in the Spring, and then dislodge it in
the
Fall. That way I could rebuild it as an army and use it against you!
>
> Chris
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
You would not be in Sev without my help. I could have simply supported Cal
to hold, and you would not have gotten in. Right away, you support an
Italian attack on Greece -- when you said you support me to hold.
If we can't work together, then E/G will win this game. I would LOVE to
have us work together to fight them -- Ok, how about this -- you don't think
you need another fleet, fine -- between us we do have 5. How about you
retreat to Silesia, or Prussia? That would be more useful than a new fleet,
and a good sign of trust.
I am going to write now to you and Cal and suggest this.
Chris
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey in
'ruffians':
Gentlemen,
The three of us have been sparring around for years now, and none the better
for it. France is almost dead, and E/G are getting ready to send their
forces against us.
If we are to have any chance to stop them, we are going to have to work
together, and it is going to be hard. Cyrille and I have a bad history of
not doing what we are saying, and I have just cost Cal Sev, through cutting
support. So we have reasons to not work together.
On the other hand, we have 13 reasons to work together -- That is the number
of English and German units. Germany wrote me today to taunt me --
<<I'd rather see him invite my F Kiel-Den in the Spring, and then dislodge
it in
the Fall. That way I could rebuild it as an army and use it against you!>>
That was a broadcast, so you both saw that, right? There is no question
that alliance is strong, and coming after us right now.
What I would like to propose is this -- A 3 way coalition to stop them. We
need to put armies in Silesia, Prussia, Bohemia, and Tyrolia, and fleets in
the Westmed and Gulf of Lyon. Ideally we should start some pressure up
north as well.
This is probably our last chance to pull this off. Cyrille, you are in the
drivers seat on this one. If you retreat to Galicia, then Cal and I are
going to have to take the time to try and fight you, and when we do, Germany
is going to be all over us. I have suggested that you retreat off the
board, and re-build another fleet -- you seem to think this will weaken your
overall position, which I don't agree with, but whatever -- a retreat to
Silesia or Prussia accomplishes the same thing for us -- it delays Germany.
Further, I'd like to suggest that Cyrille, you take Bulgaria and give up
Sevastapol, so that Cal can build a fleet in the north, something neither of
us can do. However you want to arrange that is fine with me.
I really do think this moment here is the turning point of the game. As Ben
Franklin said, if we don't hang together, we will all hang separately!
Cal, I hope that you are game for this, as fighting Turkey and Germany at
the same time would be a real pain, and I don't think we can trust St Pete
to stay open for more than one year without England coming back for it.
Cyrille, I am sincere in this. I have tried to keep the faith with you, and
I am sorry that you felt I ignored you when you needed my communication. As
you know, my wife is very pregnant, and I have traveled on business 5 out of
the last 6 weekends. It has been hard to give this game the attention it
deserves.
Please, gentlemen, let me know.
Chris
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey in
'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia and Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
> The three of us have been sparring around for years now, and none the
better
> for it. France is almost dead, and E/G are getting ready to send their
> forces against us.
>
> If we are to have any chance to stop them, we are going to have to work
> together, and it is going to be hard. Cyrille and I have a bad history of
> not doing what we are saying, and I have just cost Cal Sev, through
cutting
> support. So we have reasons to not work together.
>
> What I would like to propose is this -- A 3 way coalition to stop them.
We
> need to put armies in Silesia, Prussia, Bohemia, and Tyrolia, and fleets
in
> the Westmed and Gulf of Lyon. Ideally we should start some pressure up
> north as well.
Well, it's like this. The screwup in the FROG Judge cost me any chance to
do well in this game, so I have to make my own enjoyment where I can. Right
now, I am doing that by throwing my forces at Cyrille as hard as I can.
This is because I consider him to be the one who didn't keep his word. I
know Cyrille disagrees with that very much but I don't particularly care,
it's what *I* believe. Therefore, I would be quite happy merely doing my
best to keep him from winning and the hell with anything else.
However, and I also don't much care if I am believed in this, I will give it
ONE more try to make this a game. If Cyrille pulls out of Russia and gives
me back Sevastopol (while leaving me Rumania), I will do my best to stop
Russia up north. If this is not acceptable to Cyrille then that's fine too.
I'll just keep knocking south as hard as I possibly can and let E/G have the
game.
Cyrille, it's your call. I'll know your answer by your retreat. If there's
a yellow army next to Warsaw after this phase, the war in the east continues
Cal
Message from Turkey to England in 'ruffians':
Hi Christian, as it seems to be common in this "funny" game, I send
you some messages:
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Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey in
'ruffians':
Gentlemen,
The three of us have been sparring around for years now, and none the better
for it. France is almost dead, and E/G are getting ready to send their
forces against us.
If we are to have any chance to stop them, we are going to have to work
together, and it is going to be hard. Cyrille and I have a bad history of
not doing what we are saying, and I have just cost Cal Sev, through cutting
support. So we have reasons to not work together.
On the other hand, we have 13 reasons to work together -- That is the number
of English and German units. Germany wrote me today to taunt me --
<<I'd rather see him invite my F Kiel-Den in the Spring, and then dislodge
it in
the Fall. That way I could rebuild it as an army and use it against you!>>
That was a broadcast, so you both saw that, right? There is no question
that alliance is strong, and coming after us right now.
What I would like to propose is this -- A 3 way coalition to stop them. We
need to put armies in Silesia, Prussia, Bohemia, and Tyrolia, and fleets in
the Westmed and Gulf of Lyon. Ideally we should start some pressure up
north as well.
This is probably our last chance to pull this off. Cyrille, you are in the
drivers seat on this one. If you retreat to Galicia, then Cal and I are
going to have to take the time to try and fight you, and when we do, Germany
is going to be all over us. I have suggested that you retreat off the
board, and re-build another fleet -- you seem to think this will weaken your
overall position, which I don't agree with, but whatever -- a retreat to
Silesia or Prussia accomplishes the same thing for us -- it delays Germany.
Further, I'd like to suggest that Cyrille, you take Bulgaria and give up
Sevastapol, so that Cal can build a fleet in the north, something neither of
us can do. However you want to arrange that is fine with me.
I really do think this moment here is the turning point of the game. As Ben
Franklin said, if we don't hang together, we will all hang separately!
Cal, I hope that you are game for this, as fighting Turkey and Germany at
the same time would be a real pain, and I don't think we can trust St Pete
to stay open for more than one year without England coming back for it.
Please, gentlemen, let me know.
Chris
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Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
You would not be in Sev without my help. I could have simply supported Cal
to hold, and you would not have gotten in. Right away, you support an
Italian attack on Greece -- when you said you support me to hold.
If we can't work together, then E/G will win this game. I would LOVE to
have us work together to fight them -- Ok, how about this -- you don't think
you need another fleet, fine -- between us we do have 5. How about you
retreat to Silesia, or Prussia? That would be more useful than a new fleet,
and a good sign of trust.
I am going to write now to you and Cal and suggest this.
Chris
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Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey in
'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia and Turkey
in
> 'ruffians':
>
> The three of us have been sparring around for years now, and none the
better
> for it. France is almost dead, and E/G are getting ready to send their
> forces against us.
>
> If we are to have any chance to stop them, we are going to have to work
> together, and it is going to be hard. Cyrille and I have a bad history
of
> not doing what we are saying, and I have just cost Cal Sev, through
cutting
> support. So we have reasons to not work together.
>
> What I would like to propose is this -- A 3 way coalition to stop them.
We
> need to put armies in Silesia, Prussia, Bohemia, and Tyrolia, and fleets
in
> the Westmed and Gulf of Lyon. Ideally we should start some pressure up
> north as well.
Well, it's like this. The screwup in the FROG Judge cost me any chance to
do well in this game, so I have to make my own enjoyment where I can. Right
now, I am doing that by throwing my forces at Cyrille as hard as I can.
This is because I consider him to be the one who didn't keep his word. I
know Cyrille disagrees with that very much but I don't particularly care,
it's what *I* believe. Therefore, I would be quite happy merely doing my
best to keep him from winning and the hell with anything else.
However, and I also don't much care if I am believed in this, I will give it
ONE more try to make this a game. If Cyrille pulls out of Russia and gives
me back Sevastopol (while leaving me Rumania), I will do my best to stop
Russia up north. If this is not acceptable to Cyrille then that's fine too.
I'll just keep knocking south as hard as I possibly can and let E/G have the
game.
Cyrille, it's your call. I'll know your answer by your retreat. If there's
a yellow army next to Warsaw after this phase, the war in the east continues
Cal
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So, it seems that there is a war. I don't care about this game anymore, and
with the
start of the WorldEmailDipTournament, will have little time, especially with
Russia,
who seems decided to eradicate me, and Austria, who lie every turn, or at
least is
not precise at all, and I don't like in Diplomacy. Maybe PBM is not for
me...
If you plan to play with Russia, and to stab soon Germany, I will not play
anymore,
anyway, you'll be OK in the Med, you only need me not to play with Austria.
I can
be useful, but not for long, in Russia, it'll depend of what you want. Tell
me.
Anyway, as I really don't like NMR's, I'll play, even without diplomacy,
cause
NMR's are the worst side of PBM games.
Cyrille
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris, maybe you should have try this diplomacy BEFORE I send my retreat's
order, and
instead your agressive message, which I really don't like. Actually, a
famous french
player, Samy Malki, ex-european Champ, play like that in the last french
NDC. I don't
win the game, but I eliminated him (it was not so hard, as I was playing
France vs
England). I'm not proud of that, but hopefully, Dip is still a game, and I
never used,
nor I like, agressive dip'.
Sorry for my remark about the lack of dip in the time I required it,
it was "misplaced" (probably a french expression, it just mean I'm
sorry). I was not thinking that you lied when you say that, I just said that
it was
bad luck, at least for me. And good health for your wife and child.
Good luck for the game, after my death,
Cyrille.
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille
I know you are new to the judge, but you can still change your retreat
order -- just submit a new order the same way you did. You can change your
orders until the move actually goes through, which it hasn't.
I apologize for my agressive tone, but, wow, it's been hard to work
together! ;)
So, change that retreat order and all is past, and we can concentrate on
stopping E/G.
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris, I send that, and it was false, what shall I do?
>Army Warsaw -> OTB
>Movement from Warsaw to unrecognized province -> OTB
>Discarding junk: [OTB]
>
>2 errors encountered.
>
>Unless error-free orders are received by the deadline of
>Thu Oct 7 1999 00:24:57 PDT you will be considered late.
>The partial orders will be processed if nothing is received by
>Tue Oct 12 1999 00:24:57 PDT.
>
Message from England to Turkey in
'ruffians':
Cher Cyrille,
Mon Francais est plus mal, il faut que j'ecriver en Anglais.
I would very much like to attack Germany or Russia very soon, but I need to
have the Med stalemate secured. See my point?
/Christian
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
Cal,
I hope you are not considering moving up north, as that would make it
impossible for me to stab Germany. Just making sure we are on the same side.
/Christian
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Cal,
> I hope you are not considering moving up north, as that would make it
> impossible for me to stab Germany. Just making sure we are on the same
side.
Don't worry. My only goal in this game is to make sure Cyrille doesn't win.
After the Judge fiasco, nothing else matters...
Cal
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
>Don't worry. My only goal in this game is to make sure Cyrille doesn't win.
>After the Judge fiasco, nothing else matters...
Good to hear.
/Christian
Message from Austria to Turkey and Master in
'ruffians':
Rick,
Cyrille would like to retreat his Warsaw army Off the board, but doesn't
know the correct syntax, and come to think of it, niether do I.
What would that be?
Chris
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Master in 'ruffians':
>
> I'm setting the deadline forward because a Judge question has come up,
> and I'm at a conference right now. I want to make sure no more Judge
> problems influence the game.
> Rick
Is this something to do with the Judge's slow response time? It gets around to
sending everything I submit, but it CAN take a while....
Paul
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
I found the solution, you wait for the deadline, so your unit is removed, I
guess. Efficient, but slow!!
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
The GM open my eyes : if no orders, I'll leave the game, so without any
answer about the correct sentence for disband, I'll retreat.
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
The email of Rick come late, but I disband at least
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
Great! I am glad that you got this worked out. We will stop the E/G
alliance in its tracks. Do you have any thoughts about this -- tactically,
I mean?
Chris
Adjustments
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
Christian:
The French retreat to WMS leaves you with several options: you
could try for
Spain, assuming that French A Spa will try to cover Por. You could try
for Por.
Or, you could order F MAO-Naf, F Iri-MAO. The move on Spain would
ensure
the success of my A Par-Gas; the move to Naf would have the greatest
chance of
advancing your own position....
Paul
Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
Don't forget that France is disbanding one unit. :-)
/Christian
>Christian:
>
> The French retreat to WMS leaves you with several options: you
>could try for
>Spain, assuming that French A Spa will try to cover Por. You could try
>for Por.
>Or, you could order F MAO-Naf, F Iri-MAO. The move on Spain would
>ensure
>the success of my A Par-Gas; the move to Naf would have the greatest
>chance of
>advancing your own position....
>
>Paul
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cyrille,
thanks for the disband -- I think we will really be able to get to work now.
Lets look at some specifics after we see what the others build.
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
WOW! I can't believe we really cajoled Cyrille into that Disband. It
really changes the whole shape of things, yes?
The only REAL question is this - do we now stab the bejeasus out of Cyrille,
or do we stick to what we said before he disbanded? ;)
I will be moving to Tyrolia and Bohemia, once I build in Vienna -- one of
those will go through, and possibly both. I figure if you spring A Warsaw
to Silesia, you at least bounce the German force which will almost certainly
move there.
As to the rest, well, that depends alot on what you want to do about
Cyrille. Let me know!
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in
'ruffians':
>
> Cal,
>
> WOW! I can't believe we really cajoled Cyrille into that Disband. It
> really changes the whole shape of things, yes?
Yeah, I'm stunned he went for it. I wouldn't trust us, ya know what I mean?
> The only REAL question is this - do we now stab the bejeasus out of
Cyrille,
> or do we stick to what we said before he disbanded? ;)
On White's Sliding Scale, stabbing the "bejeasous" (note Canadian spelling)
is very high, but I don't want to commit suicide to do it. England has been
very vocal to me about my NOT moving north so he can stab Germany - too
vocal, in fact, so I don't believe him. I'd love to hit Cyrille and will
take some risks to do it, but I want to look at the board first. No later
than tomorrow, I promise.
> I will be moving to Tyrolia and Bohemia, once I build in Vienna -- one of
> those will go through, and possibly both. I figure if you spring A Warsaw
> to Silesia, you at least bounce the German force which will almost
certainly
> move there.
Let you know tomorrow.
> As to the rest, well, that depends alot on what you want to do about
> Cyrille. Let me know!
Yup.
Cal
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
Christian:
You are, of course, right to want to wait until the French removal
is made before
final plans for the follow Spring are made! However, one can pretty
well predict
the uses with which France will be putting his units in S'1906. He will
have to use
A Spa to cover Por, and will have to employ the remaining fleet or army
in covering Spain (unless he is suiciding out on behalf of Austria,
which I doubt).
No matter what he keeps, I will be going for Gas in the Spring
turn. If Austria is
going to support the Italian army in order to slow my land advance, I
will need your presence in Spain in order to give me the second vital
support for an advance into
Mar. I should be able to support you into Spain in F'06 from
Gas...unless Austria
pulls out of Pie and leaves Italian A Mar to its premature demise!
Meanwhile, my plan is to build the obvious A Ber and move A Mun-Boh,
A Ber-
Mun in the Spring. It is my only real offensive option in the area, and
it is my best
defense against Austria as well. I will write to Russia and encourage
him to use
his A War in a move to Gal: he seems to be "at leisure" at the moment!
Paul