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Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
I thought we were agreed? No? I still think we can arrange something good out of this. Convoy back from London to Belgium and use NTH to support that
. Doing that hinders Austria from growing more than Mun and Ber. I cannot really see why you didn't go along whith what we agreed, but I guess you fe
lt you could trust Austria. Please reconsider or Chris will have a dead sure solo (no matter what I choose to disband!).
all the best
/Christian
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
Cal,
Sorry. I really thought Paul was going to play with us this year. I guess he just threw the game to Chris (AGAIN!). Anyway, I will support you to StP
if you want. This kind of play should be punished. I will only disband stalemate keeping units and keep all the Peul-defending ones. I really hate w
hen people play like this, he does everything Chris says, get stabbed, trust Chris again, get stabbed...etc Argh!!!
all the best
/Christian
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
This season I will disband my southern units. If I were you I would move into position to cross the southern stalemate again. I will defend against P
aul at all cost and hope that your armies around Mun/Ber will make a difference. I do not know what you tell Paul to make him trust you ten times as
much as anyone else, I guess that�s why you�re a world champ...:)
all the best
Christian
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
>
> Message from [email protected] as England to Germany in
> 'ruffians':
>
> Paul,
> I thought we were agreed? No? I still think we can arrange something good out of this. Convoy back from London to Belgium and use NTH to support th
at
> . Doing that hinders Austria from growing more than Mun and Ber. I cannot really see why you didn't go along whith what we agreed, but I guess you
fe
> lt you could trust Austria. Please reconsider or Chris will have a dead sure solo (no matter what I choose to disband!).
>
> all the best
> /Christian
Christian: This is bizarre. Chris once again did not do what we agreed that he would do, and went off on his own. Yet, he didn't do the maximum am
ount
of
damage that he COULD have done (i.e., taking Bre, keeping Mar).
Yes, it appears that convoying A Lon-Bel supported by Nth is my safest course of action. I can also block him from Kie and Mun, at least this
turn.
I will set up the board and get back to you.
--Paul
Message from Germany to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris:
I guess the old expression applies: fool me one shame on you, fool
me twice
shame on me.
That seems to be all I have to say to you.
--Paul
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in
> 'ruffians':
>
> Cal,
> Sorry. I really thought Paul was going to play with us this year. I guess
he just threw the game to Chris (AGAIN!). Anyway, I will support you to StP
> if you want. This kind of play should be punished. I will only disband
stalemate keeping units and keep all the Peul-defending ones. I really hate
w
> hen people play like this, he does everything Chris says, get stabbed,
trust Chris again, get stabbed...etc Argh!!!
I agree with you about the punishment and I'll take you up on your offer of
St Pete's.
While I agree that Paul's play may have given the game to Chris, it's not
necessarily so. Chris's moves have given a lot more position and strength
to Turkey and myself. We MAY be able to stem the tide, so don't give up
yet. Looks like Paul is very soon to become a non-factor since he'll lose
Mun, Ber & probably Hol this year. If we can just make sure that we keep
pressure on Chris, we may be able to stop this thing yet.
Cal
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
signson gruffians sucker
press to a
Fool me once, shame on you!
Fool me twice, shame on me!
signsoff
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> signson gruffians sucker
> press to a
> Fool me once, shame on you!
> Fool me twice, shame on me!
> signsoff
Funny, that's the same thing I really DID write to Austria this A.M....
EggonHisFace
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
Jeazus Cal!
Give the man a break, willya? Look at the board, and the moves -- if I had
worked with him, I'd be in Spain, guaranteed portugal, and could keep
Belgium for a net gain on one. You wouldn't be in Warsaw, and Turkey for
darn-tooten wouldn't be in Serbia! With All y'all so hot to trot on
stopping me, it made VERY good sense for him to work with me long enough to
cripple england, especially with Christian's build in Liverpool. I'll
probably have to pull this turn, and I don't think Paul can be faulted for
expecting me to continue to maximize my position rather than move towards
balance.
Chris
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
"what now?"
this game has turned into a gaum.
Meef
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
MiKaL,
Actions speak louder than words, yes? I believe that especially in the
latter part of the game, and doubly so with a player who has entered the
game, as it were, mid-stream.
I moved this spring away from you, in the hopes that this could diffuse some
of the obvious worries you have regarding our realive positions.
My question for you is this: Are there any conditions under which you would
feel comfortable working with me? I have given up my ambitions in the west,
obviously, and while consolidating my position in Germany will be some help,
I will probably have to Pull this year. As I said, I am trying to secure a
place in the 3 way that I see as the most likely end to this game.
You said something about "the knife, fresh from my hand" or words to that
effect, a while back. I am curious if the fact that I have, indeed stabbed
(guilty!) makes me unsuitable as an ally, in your eyes.
Lets keep a dialogue open, in any case.
Best,
Chris
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
Cal,
I agree that there is a slight chance that we can stop AG. I am trying to
convince Paul to defend himself, but I will support you to StP whatever
he seems to be doing. Hopefully we get him to defend himself against
Chris while you take StP. I guess you are not holding Warzaw, or do you
think Chris is all-outing on G (Ber/Mun)?
/Christian
Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
I hope Russia's taunting doesn't make you unwilling to work with me. I
promise not to say anything not nice as long as we work together as in
the beginning of the game...! I think we can use this situation to
co-work and use the Russian/Austrian disagreement to our advance, we let
R/T fight Austria while we defend Germany and move forward into Med and
Italy. Maybe we can even force some parts of Russia if we stick together.
By not sticking together Chris will be all over the place while you and I
will have five hundred units around my centers fighting and guessing.
What seems most fun? :)
/Christian
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
No, You're the world champ! ;) (There's an americanism "you da man! no YOU
da man!)
Do you think you can snag StPete? Also, I am tempted to hold in Holland,
expecting Paul to move Eng Chan -> Bel, Den -> Kiel. Without centers to
build in, we should be able to take him down.
Sometime this season I lost all hope of getting a solo -- so I looked at who
the best partners in a 3 way would be, and it was you and Russia or Turkey.
I dont think Cal will ever work with me again, so I hope Turkey'll play
ball!
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Dear Chris,
I am most impressed by your play, even somewhat intimidated. As far as
stilettos, it seems most everyone in the game have an assorted collection of
them, so I do not or would not hold that against u.
The comment about pulling away, I am not sure what that means. I see a
fleet in ion and another in bul. That is not pulling away, eh?
I do not know what the German guy is doing beyond committing suicide. I
think he had a brain spasm last season.
I never feel there is a game situation that would make one an "unsuitable
ally", so ...
I would enjoy an open dialog.
If u r really interested in a draw, how about REALLY pulling back. Being up
in my face so much is most troubling.
Thoughts?
Mikal.
MiKaL,
Actions speak louder than words, yes? I believe that especially in the
latter part of the game, and doubly so with a player who has entered the
game, as it were, mid-stream.
I moved this spring away from you, in the hopes that this could diffuse some
of the obvious worries you have regarding our realive positions.
My question for you is this: Are there any conditions under which you would
feel comfortable working with me? I have given up my ambitions in the west,
obviously, and while consolidating my position in Germany will be some help,
I will probably have to Pull this year. As I said, I am trying to secure a
place in the 3 way that I see as the most likely end to this game.
You said something about "the knife, fresh from my hand" or words to that
effect, a while back. I am curious if the fact that I have, indeed stabbed
(guilty!) makes me unsuitable as an ally, in your eyes.
Lets keep a dialogue open, in any case.
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Germany in 'ruffians':
Dear Kaiser, what is up dude?
I am most confused about the a stp - mos, have u sold me down the river for
a bowl of beans?
Sultan MiKal
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
Well, When I said pulling away, I meant I expected my moves to be pulling
away from you! Knowing you were goint to dislodge me from the Aegean, I had
hoped to leave myself a retreat other than the Eastern Med -- hence the
shift of forces north.
Germany thought I was on board with him, since everyone else was against
me -- and really, England left himself WIDE open. just think if I had taken
Spain, and held in Belgium, and defended in the Balkans -- he wouldn't look
so foolish, would he?
ok -- I am willing to "pull back" do you have a suggestion as to how this
could be best accomplished? I would like to keep a fleet in Greece and a
fleet in the Ionian to defend there. How do you suggest that we go about
doing this? Seriously, whatever makes you comfortable, lets start from
there.
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Well, I made my bed, right? I am curious as to what you think of my "move
towards balance". Sometime before I got sick this week I decided that I
didn't have a hope in hell of a solo, but that with the English build in
liverpool (WHAT?!?!) Germany did.
Nice call with the support to Serbia. I'da figured Mikal to support
himself, If I'da been on the attack.
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Dear Cal,
Latest 3 dialogs between Austria and myself. Any thoughts on how to exploit
Austria, get a little advantage? How should I respond to his latest query?
Meef
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
MiKaL,
Actions speak louder than words, yes? I believe that especially in the
latter part of the game, and doubly so with a player who has entered the
game, as it were, mid-stream.
I moved this spring away from you, in the hopes that this could diffuse some
of the obvious worries you have regarding our realive positions.
My question for you is this: Are there any conditions under which you would
feel comfortable working with me? I have given up my ambitions in the west,
obviously, and while consolidating my position in Germany will be some help,
I will probably have to Pull this year. As I said, I am trying to secure a
place in the 3 way that I see as the most likely end to this game.
You said something about "the knife, fresh from my hand" or words to that
effect, a while back. I am curious if the fact that I have, indeed stabbed
(guilty!) makes me unsuitable as an ally, in your eyes.
Lets keep a dialogue open, in any case.
Best,
Chris
Message sent to Austria:
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Dear Chris,
I am most impressed by your play, even somewhat intimidated. As far as
stilettos, it seems most everyone in the game have an assorted collection of
them, so I do not or would not hold that against u.
The comment about pulling away, I am not sure what that means. I see a
fleet in ion and another in bul. That is not pulling away, eh?
I do not know what the German guy is doing beyond committing suicide. I
think he had a brain spasm last season.
I never feel there is a game situation that would make one an "unsuitable
ally", so ...
I would enjoy an open dialog.
If u r really interested in a draw, how about REALLY pulling back. Being up
in my face so much is most troubling.
Thoughts?
Mikal.
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
Well, When I said pulling away, I meant I expected my moves to be pulling
away from you! Knowing you were goint to dislodge me from the Aegean, I had
hoped to leave myself a retreat other than the Eastern Med -- hence the
shift of forces north.
Germany thought I was on board with him, since everyone else was against
me -- and really, England left himself WIDE open. just think if I had taken
Spain, and held in Belgium, and defended in the Balkans -- he wouldn't look
so foolish, would he?
ok -- I am willing to "pull back" do you have a suggestion as to how this
could be best accomplished? I would like to keep a fleet in Greece and a
fleet in the Ionian to defend there. How do you suggest that we go about
doing this? Seriously, whatever makes you comfortable, lets start from
there.
Best,
Chris
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> "what now?"
>
> this game has turned into a gaum.
"Gaum"? Sounds interesting, whatever it is...
What now indeed. Well, this game has turned into an absolute bloodthirsty
melee. I just want to make clear that this only intensifies my desire to
have you and I remain allied, a sea of calm in an ocean of chaos if I may
wax poetic for a moment.
How about this?
Turkey
A Ser-Bud
F Smy-Con
FAeg-Bul(sc)
F Bla S F Aeg-Bul(sc)
Russia
A Rum s A Ser-Bud
Warsaw Holds and prays
A Mos-Stp (England volunteered to suport in there)
These are pretty scrambly, but give both of us a chance to build and make
Austria's life miserable. Suggestions welcomed.
Later,
Cal
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in
> 'ruffians':
>
> I agree that there is a slight chance that we can stop AG. I am trying to
> convince Paul to defend himself, but I will support you to StP whatever
> he seems to be doing. Hopefully we get him to defend himself against
> Chris while you take StP. I guess you are not holding Warzaw, or do you
> think Chris is all-outing on G (Ber/Mun)?
I'm not going to support Warsaw. If Chris wants it back, he can use two
units to get it, but the only thing that makes sense in light of these past
moves is for him to take Ber & Mun (with support).
Man, this game has degenerated into bloody chaos...
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in
'ruffians':
>
> Well, I made my bed, right? I am curious as to what you think of my "move
> towards balance".
>Sometime before I got sick this week I decided that I
> didn't have a hope in hell of a solo, but that with the English build in
> liverpool (WHAT?!?!) Germany did.
I think the level of illegal narcotics in this game is approaching dealer
status! <G> Seriously though, it's finally nice to see a stab that goes
after more than one centre. Anyway, your timing certainly surprised
everybody. Personally, I would have waited until R/T were down further. If
you had, your pull-back form the west would have guaranteed you a spot in a
3-way. Your odds are probably still in the 90th percentile, but there are
more variables now. We'll see. I'm still amazed that Paul left himself so
wide open. He'd been in a bad position since the short-lived A/G/R and now
he's paid for it.
Are you going to follow through with the stab? Would seem like a
vacillatory (is that a word?) waste if you don't. Somebody is going to have
to go down soon, your desire for "balance' notwithstanding and I'd like to
see it be Germany. Thoughts?
> Nice call with the support to Serbia. I'da figured Mikal to support
> himself, If I'da been on the attack.
Not me. Mikal made the suggestion. My only contribution was the comment,
"What the heck, sure."
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Looks good, orders issued as agreed.
Turkey:
A Ser-Bud
F Smy-Con
FAeg-Bul(sc)
F Bla S F Aeg-Bul(sc)
Russia:
What about War - gal
if aus: a bud - rum s by gal, war will bounce while cutting support and
prevent u from loosing rum.
if aus: a gal - rum s by bul, war will bounce.
if aus: a gal - ukr u could loose war.
It prevents u from loosing and rum, cheap gamble.
Meef
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Latest 3 dialogs between Austria and myself. Any thoughts on how to
exploit
> Austria, get a little advantage? How should I respond to his latest
query?
>
> Meef
My best sugestion would be to play along with what he says, but tell him
that you feel you need a "little room to grow and feel secure".
Specifically, tell him you plan on keeping Serbia and want Bulgaria back.
His reaction may tell you something about how serious he is.
I'm just praying I can hang onto War and have England follow thru on his
promise of support into St Pete's. Once we get ourselves both back into the
5-6 centre range, we'll be a force to deal with instea of a couple of guys
hanging on with their teeth.
Comments?
Cal
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
'ruffians':
>
>
> MiKaL,
>
> Actions speak louder than words, yes? I believe that especially in the
> latter part of the game, and doubly so with a player who has entered the
> game, as it were, mid-stream.
>
> I moved this spring away from you, in the hopes that this could diffuse
some
> of the obvious worries you have regarding our realive positions.
>
> My question for you is this: Are there any conditions under which you
would
> feel comfortable working with me? I have given up my ambitions in the
west,
> obviously, and while consolidating my position in Germany will be some
help,
> I will probably have to Pull this year. As I said, I am trying to secure
a
> place in the 3 way that I see as the most likely end to this game.
>
> You said something about "the knife, fresh from my hand" or words to that
> effect, a while back. I am curious if the fact that I have, indeed
stabbed
> (guilty!) makes me unsuitable as an ally, in your eyes.
>
> Lets keep a dialogue open, in any case.
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
>
> Message sent to Austria:
>
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> I am most impressed by your play, even somewhat intimidated. As far as
> stilettos, it seems most everyone in the game have an assorted collection
of
> them, so I do not or would not hold that against u.
>
> The comment about pulling away, I am not sure what that means. I see a
> fleet in ion and another in bul. That is not pulling away, eh?
>
> I do not know what the German guy is doing beyond committing suicide. I
> think he had a brain spasm last season.
>
> I never feel there is a game situation that would make one an "unsuitable
> ally", so ...
>
> I would enjoy an open dialog.
>
> If u r really interested in a draw, how about REALLY pulling back. Being
up
> in my face so much is most troubling.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Mikal.
>
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
'ruffians':
>
>
> Mikal,
>
> Well, When I said pulling away, I meant I expected my moves to be pulling
> away from you! Knowing you were goint to dislodge me from the Aegean, I
had
> hoped to leave myself a retreat other than the Eastern Med -- hence the
> shift of forces north.
>
> Germany thought I was on board with him, since everyone else was against
> me -- and really, England left himself WIDE open. just think if I had
taken
> Spain, and held in Belgium, and defended in the Balkans -- he wouldn't
look
> so foolish, would he?
>
> ok -- I am willing to "pull back" do you have a suggestion as to how this
> could be best accomplished? I would like to keep a fleet in Greece and a
> fleet in the Ionian to defend there. How do you suggest that we go about
> doing this? Seriously, whatever makes you comfortable, lets start from
> there.
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
>
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris, I would a little room to grow and feel secure. I plan on keeping
Serbia and want Bulgaria back.
Thoughts?
Meef
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
ok -- I am willing to "pull back" do you have a suggestion as to how this
could be best accomplished? I would like to keep a fleet in Greece and a
fleet in the Ionian to defend there. How do you suggest that we go about
doing this? Seriously, whatever makes you comfortable, lets start from
there.
Best,
Chris
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Looks good, orders issued as agreed.
>
> Turkey:
> A Ser-Bud
> F Smy-Con
> FAeg-Bul(sc)
> F Bla S F Aeg-Bul(sc)
>
> Russia:
> What about War - gal
>
> if aus: a bud - rum s by gal, war will bounce while cutting support and
> prevent u from loosing rum.
>
> if aus: a gal - rum s by bul, war will bounce.
>
> if aus: a gal - ukr u could loose war.
>
> It prevents u from loosing and rum, cheap gamble.
Bul(sc) can't support A Gal-Rum since it can't move there. Just like a
fleet in StP(sc) can't support a move to Nwy.
I think I'll take a chance and hold in Warsaw. That way, even if I lose Rum
(A Bud-Rum, s by A Gal being the only way that can happen), you gain Bud and
I can (likely) retreat to Ser.
What do you think?
Cal
PS: I'm just about to head out of town and won't be home until late tonight.
I'll respond to any notes then. cw
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
I'll be out of town for the rest of the day and a bit of tomorrow. I'll get
to my mail tonight to answer any notes.
Cal
Russia in Russians, er, Ruffians that is...
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
k
Meef
I think I'll take a chance and hold in Warsaw. That way, even if I lose Rum
(A Bud-Rum, s by A Gal being the only way that can happen), you gain Bud and
I can (likely) retreat to Ser.
What do you think?
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
Hmm. How about Rumania instead of Serbia?
I'll order Bulgaria -> Greece and Greece -> Serbia.
Thoughts?
Chris
Message from Germany to Turkey and Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Dear Kaiser, what is up dude?
>
> I am most confused about the a stp - mos, have u sold me down the river for
> a bowl of beans?
>
> Sultan MiKal
Might Sultan:
The move towards Mos was just a "throwaway"; nothing else for it to do.
I admit that the Austrian attack on me comes a big surprise, all the more so
because
it makes so little sense. Is Chris trading his homeland for mine? He can't
build in
MY dots! All of a sudden, he leaves Mao and Mar, when he had a chance to take
both Iberian dots.
This just fries my brain.
Paul
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
>
> Message from [email protected] as England to Germany in
> 'ruffians':
>
> Paul,
> I hope Russia's taunting doesn't make you unwilling to work with me. I
> promise not to say anything not nice as long as we work together as in
> the beginning of the game...!
Christian, I have just never been so baffled about someone's moves as I am
about
those Chris made. Is he forsaking his homeland for mine? He can't build in
MY dots! Why did he exchange the chance to take Spa/Por this turn for the
promise of
no gains in that area? Why did he abandon War?
> I think we can use this situation to
> co-work and use the Russian/Austrian disagreement to our advance, we let
> R/T fight Austria while we defend Germany and move forward into Med and
> Italy. Maybe we can even force some parts of Russia.
Well, I have to head back towards my homeland or I'll never see another build
again. There is no coherence to Chris' thinking, and now it has the rest of
us just
hissing and snarling.
>
> By not sticking together Chris will be all over the place while you and I
> will have five hundred units around my centers fighting and guessing.
> What seems most fun? :)
Well, I was doing what seemed most fun but all the joy seems to have gone out
of it!
I'll convoy A Lon-Bel supported by F Nth, and I'll cover Kie with F Den. My
A Mar can support A Gas-Bur, while A Tyr tries for Vie (a long shot).
Chris is no closer to winning this game than he was a turn ago; he's
just swapping
new dots for old.
Paul
>
>
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
>Sometime this season I lost all hope of getting a solo -- so I looked at who
>the best partners in a 3 way would be, and it was you and Russia or Turkey.
>I dont think Cal will ever work with me again, so I hope Turkey'll play
>ball!
Seems interesting...
/Christian
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
Hi again Cal!
Chris wrote to me and said he was trying to get Turkey to wanna be in a threeway AET. I do not know whether this is true, nor what Turkey did answer.
But be aware for Turkish stabs. I guess it�s not going to happen right now, but maybe later.
/Christian
Message from Germany to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris:
I keep looking and re-looking at your moves of last season, and I'm
just baffled.
Why are Ber/Mun worth so much more for you than Spa/Por? Why did you
walk
away from your foothold in War?
Trading your homeland for mine makes precious little sense; you
can't build in MY dots!
What the hell were you thinking?
Paul
Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
You wrote "Is he forsaking his homeland for mine? He can't build in MY dots!"
A bit further down you wrote "Well, I have to head back towards my homeland or I'll never see another build again."
Maybe that is his point, he stops you from getting builds, he writes long letters to me begging me to keep the defence against you. Russia is telling
me he migt work with Chris unless the game turns quickly and so forth.
You also wrote that you will convoy A Lon-Bel supported by Nth. That is indeed good if you do. But don't promise it unless you are REALLY doing it. T
hat would hurt our future chances to work together. If you are attackin me now, you could as well say it, since I cannot stop you from taking Lon & E
di if you really want it. The problem is that you would not get any builds whatever the sc-count shows. Chris says he�s moving to Belgium. That would
mean if you cover Kiel and move unsupported to Bel you loose Hol and cannot build in Kie, Mun or Ber. Puh?
This season is really our last chance of doing something creative together. If we continue to fight this season (if I get one or more disbands) we wi
ll be so crippled that we hardly can stop Chris. If Russia also turns to Chris side we are in really deep trouble.
So, please work WITH me. But if you decide to take Lon & Edi, please let me know so that I know I can trust you in the future. A lie now would be unn
essecary as I cannot stop you.
all the best from Liverpool, my new capital
/Christian
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
>
> This season is really our last chance of doing something creative together. If we continue to fight this season (if I get one or more disbands) we
wi
> ll be so crippled that we hardly can stop Chris. If Russia also turns to Chris side we are in really deep trouble.
A/R might already be halfway allied; didn't Chris pull out of Warsaw? The big thing
that we need Cal for is to continue (with Turkey) to attack Austria in his homeland.
If Austria gets no more builds, he cannot win the game. There it is.
> So, please work WITH me. But if you decide to take Lon & Edi, please let me know so that I know I can trust you in the future. A lie now would be u
nn
> essecary as I cannot stop you.
Okay. The inclination now is to keep Lon, and send F Eng-Bel with Nth supporting.
There is no way that I can afford to risk a bounce over Bel; that would give him both
home countries!
If I pick up Lon, Bel and Mar while losing Hol, Ber and Mun I break even. Can
I afford anything else? Another removal will just make the Austrian takeover of
Germany that much easier.
I have decided upon moving A Tyr-Mun instead of to Vie; if Austria covers Vie
with Gal, at least he cannot build there (although I cannot envision his building this
season, anyway).
You're right about the folly of my moving F Den-Kie for the same reason, but I
don't see myself getting a build this turn anyway. That one is up in the air.
A Gas-Bur makes sense; I have to position myself for a fight to regain Mun.
What to do with A StP is... a puzzle. Moving to Mos won't work; neither will
going to Nwy. Seeing as how Russia has a solid grip on War, a move to Lvn would
be wasting time. I guess holding in StP is the only option.
Okay, the above represents my true thinking at this point.
Paul
>
>
> all the best from Liverpool, my new capital
>
> /Christian
Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
Good to haer you telling me real intentions. You tell me you need London
to not disband. OK, you don't want to disband, I understand that. I don't
either want to disband. I have a plan.
You are telling me that StP has nothing interesting to do. You will hold
it. So let me take StP with Finland. That means you go minus one sc thsi
year, and you can disband A Lvn. An army you have told me you cannot use
anyway. By doing this I don't have to disband some southern fleet and you
don't have to disband any important unit AND *WE* still keep StP. The
option of course is that you convoy out of Lon and get to keep StP and
disband it in winter, but that way we loose position in Russia. A trade,
London for StP, isn't that fair? But maybe you prefer to leave London,as
you might wanna have an Army in Belgium rather than a fleet. Think of
coming seasons, an Army i Bel is far more usable against armies in your
homesenter area. But, if you stay in Lon you can convoy back to Hol
supported by F Bel next spring...If I move as I tell you maybe you can
consider leaving London open next year with my promise of not recapturing
it. You see, I get a bit paranoid having a foreign army on my Island...:)
Oh, much written and probably it didn't make sense either. I canot really
strucurate my thoughts very good in English. Why don't we speak Swedish
for a change? :)
hoping you understood my thoughts
all the best
Christian
Message from Russia to Germany and Turkey in
'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Germany to Turkey and Russia in
'ruffians':
>
> Might Sultan:
> The move towards Mos was just a "throwaway"; nothing else for it to
do.
And of course, you had no expectations whatsoever that there would be
support from Warsaw with Galicia cutting Ukrainian support? I know the kind
of things Chris promises...
> I admit that the Austrian attack on me comes a big surprise, all the more
so
> because
> it makes so little sense. Is Chris trading his homeland for mine? He
can't
> build in
> MY dots! All of a sudden, he leaves Mao and Mar, when he had a chance to
take
> both Iberian dots.
Since Austria didn't expect to lose War or Ser, he would have had two builds
(at least) from Ber & Mun and his homeland would have been defended just
fine, thank you.
Cal
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in
> 'ruffians':
>
> Hi again Cal!
> Chris wrote to me and said he was trying to get Turkey to wanna be in a
threeway AET. I do not know whether this is true, nor what Turkey did
answer.
> But be aware for Turkish stabs. I guess it�s not going to happen right
now, but maybe later.
Consider me warned, but I'm pretty sure I can trust Turkey at least for now.
He's pretty familiar with the history of the game, thanks to me, and he's
quite wary of Austria. He knows that, given Austria's position, he would be
the next target after I was gone.
Besides, if HE stabs me, I'd be dead anyway.
Cal
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
A trade, London for StP, isn't that fair?
As a matter of fact, this makes sense. You can hold StP far easier than I
could, and
and I have no prospects for advancing my A StP anyway. Okay, I'll move A
StP-Lvn this turn, and disband it in the winter.
If you stay in Lon you can convoy back to Hol supported by F Bel next
spring...If I move as I tell you maybe you can consider leaving London open
next year with my promise of not recapturing it. You see, I get a bit
paranoid having a foreign army on my Island...:)
A convoy from Lon-Hol next Spring (supported by Bel) is a definite option. I
like
the idea of both taking Hol back in the Spring and moving A Bel-Ruhr in the
Fall;
both strengthen my chances of retaking a home dot or two.
>
> Oh, much written and probably it didn't make sense either. I canot really
> strucurate my thoughts very good in English. Why don't we speak Swedish
> for a change? :)
Sorry-- I am an insular American who is too arrogant to have bothered with
foreign
languages other than French (reading it for my Historical studies) and
Spanish (we
do have a lot of Hispanics to deal with here). If I cannot understand you,
I'll tell you
and give you a chance to clarify yourself. Cool?
I think that we are finally coming to an understanding. --Paul
>
>
> hoping you understood my thoughts
> all the best
> Christian
Message from Germany to Russia in 'ruffians':
> >
> > Might Sultan:
> > The move towards Mos was just a "throwaway"; nothing else for it to
> do.
>
> And of course, you had no expectations whatsoever that there would be
> support from Warsaw with Galicia cutting Ukrainian support? I know the kind
> of things Chris promises...
>
>
>
> Since Austria didn't expect to lose War or Ser, he would have had two builds
> (at least) from Ber & Mun and his homeland would have been defended just
> fine, thank you.
>
> Well, you guys can support one or another into Bud as well and it wouldn't
> break my heart.
Christian and I are coming to an understanding at long last (I have more
incentive to do so nowadays) and I am finally deadset against Austria (have I
said that before?). He's delivered two strikes over the plate, and I'm damned
if I'm going to
miss knocking that third one outa here....
No, I'm not moving A StP to Mos anymore.
--Paul
Message from Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
Paul,
Hhhhhhhhm. It was a really, really tough call. I ran through the scenarios
literally dozens of times, and it came down to this -- England would crack
MUCH faster than R/T. (and people accuse YOU of trusting ME! Why hasn't
anyone said anything about Chirstian's posture! He'dve been down to Scandia
and Liverpool if we'd stuck together!) Once england was down, you'd have a
VERY easy time rolling over my positions in Spain/portugal, giving you 16
centers, 17 counting st Pete, and you are asking for my support into
Moscow -- 18.
Maybe I made the right move to soon -- You almost certainly would have
played it straight with me for another year or two. But with the builds
you'd get for London/Edi/Marsailles, you certainly wouldn't have left
yourself defenseless.
So, as I said in my broadcast, this is a move towards balance for me -- I
will almost certainly have to pull, and where and how I do that is going to
be another Hard decision to make.
If my position doesn't look great now, look at what it would have been if I
had followed your plan -- without really good guessing on my part, I think
it would have been worse.
We shall see. I was sincere when I said that you have been the best ally of
the game, and its one of the twists of the game that I then stabbed you --
and pulled back at the same time. I almost moved to Brest as well, just to
go all out -- but it didn't make any sense to have that fleet end up in
Belgium, fer ghods sake.
That was my thinking.
With England down, there was no way to balance your power. Possibly
pre-mature, but that's the folly of the young player, mis-judging threats.
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian -- If you can take StPete, then you'll only need to pull one --
how about trying this --
F Protugal -> Spain (sc)
F Spain -> MAO
Not a coastal crawl, I checked! I could then support you to hold in Spain,
or support action against Marsailles, that sort of thing.
Thoughts?
Chris
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
StP will not be German after this year unless Russia wants it that way.
I think the Spain-Prortugal [sic!] thing sounds a bit too risky at the
moment. I will hold and support myself, because that way you and Germany
has to co-operate to take my poor little Iberian dots. If I see you
moving in a satisfying way I will no doubt consider a similar move next
turn.
all the best
/Christian
Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
>I think that we are finally coming to an understanding. --Paul
Good to hear. Looking forward to sharing a draw with you.
/Christian
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
I thought it was Thomas who was the doubter! You seriously think Paul and I
are going to work together at this late date? ;)
Ok, I was thinking that with one unit of yours and one unit of mine you
could hold the Iberian dots indefinitely --- but, maybe you're right, no
reason for him NOT to support Gascony to Spain, and I kinda do need that
army in piedmont. No problem!
Chris
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
I am really not worried that you will work with Paul, but I am kind of
worried that Paul will work with you if you see what I mean. :)
We can see what we can do next turn?
/Christian
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
Cal,
I was pondering. Maybe it is ok with you if I take StP from Germany? By
doing that I only have to disband one, and can still keep him out of
Iberia. As I see the board you will grow one sc anyway, without StP.
If you feel that my suggestion is a bad one, I will still support you in.
The important thing for me now is that Germany looses StP and that you
and I are friendly. But, as I said, it would be superb if I could borrow
StP for this year, and then you can take it back next year. Please?
all the best
/Christian
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in
>'ruffians':
>
>I was pondering. Maybe it is ok with you if I take StP from Germany? By
>doing that I only have to disband one, and can still keep him out of
>Iberia. As I see the board you will grow one sc anyway, without StP.
>
>If you feel that my suggestion is a bad one, I will still support you in.
>The important thing for me now is that Germany looses StP and that you
>and I are friendly. But, as I said, it would be superb if I could borrow
>StP for this year, and then you can take it back next year. Please?
>all the best
I spent quite a few hours thinking over this suggestion and I decided that
I'm still going to ask you to support me in to St Pete's. Here are my
reasons:
1) As a three centre power (keeping Warsaw is by no means guaranteed), my
very survival is hanging by a thread. Obviously, I need some growth fast.
If I only get a single build, well, four centres is still pretty tenuous.
2) I think we're pretty much in agreement that Austria is the one we want to
knock down next and I'm in a more dangerous position with regards to the
"enemy".
3) As with point #2, you have a bit of breathing space with which you can
regroup and look for another centre. For obvious reasons, Germany will have
little choice this turn but to turn and face Austria which means that you
aren't likely to be threatened this year. I'm going to be hanging on by my
fingernails.
In case you're not convinced that I'm threatened by Austria, let me point
out that Chris hasn't even bothered to lie to me this turn (VERY unusual), a
sure sign that even HE expects us to continue our hostilities.
In short, I tried to find reasons to let you have St Pete's that made sense
from both our points of view, but I couldn't. I will however, be more than
happy to help you against Germany when that time comes (I'm sure it will if
for no other reason than to make sure Austria doesn't get ALL the German
centres).
So, in light of this, are we still okay with my move to St Pete and your
support thereof?
Cal
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
>So, in light of this, are we still okay with my move to St Pete and your
>support thereof?
Okay Cal, as you in a very good way motivated why you should have StP I
will agree with you and support you. A Fin S A Mos-StP
/Christian
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
What's up? you sure don't talk much, do you? What is going on here? I am
the one who was willing to work with you from Day one. I am happy to help
you to grow North, around and away from me.
Why aren't we discussing your capture of Russian centers?
Chris
Message from Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
Paul,
I thought I showed a lot of respect for you in laying out my thoughts like
that. I am, you know, expecting some sort of a reply.
Chris
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
<<Seriously though, it's finally nice to see a stab that goes
after more than one centre. Anyway, your timing certainly surprised
everybody. Personally, I would have waited until R/T were down further. If
you had, your pull-back form the west would have guaranteed you a spot in a
3-way. Your odds are probably still in the 90th percentile, but there are
more variables now. We'll see. I'm still amazed that Paul left himself so
wide open. He'd been in a bad position since the short-lived A/G/R and now
he's paid for it.>>
Sorry to be so long getting back to you -- the Flu really laid me out.
My thinking was that Paul wouldn't ever be so vulnerable again, and that I
can hopefully recoup my position as his falls apart.
The Turk. always the Turk. Do you want to see him build, even if it is off
of me? I always told you I'd walk out of Warsaw and start on with the
Germans, if you were interested. Any chance we can go back to Turk stuffing
at this point?
Best,
Chris
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Sorry to be so long getting back to you -- the Flu really laid me out.
Everyone up here has it too. I've been lucky, but my turn is surely just
around the corner.
>My thinking was that Paul wouldn't ever be so vulnerable again, and that I
>can hopefully recoup my position as his falls apart.
Tactically, your moves were fine, it's just the overall strategic timing
could have been better. Ah well, it's always tough to balance the two,
isn't it?
>The Turk. always the Turk. Do you want to see him build, even if it is
>off
>of me? I always told you I'd walk out of Warsaw and start on with the
>Germans, if you were interested. Any chance we can go back to Turk
>stuffing
>at this point?
Not really. Turkey's presence and fleet-building ability are needed to keep
you from winning. I'd be willing to help you against Germany if you want
(although right now, that would probably be limited to talking to England
more than any direct military intervention), but obviously, Warsaw would be
the price... Until then, I'll just have to keep plugging away trying to
recover my four little, much-abused, home centres.
Cal
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Hmm, Turkey's fleet building ability, hey? I hadn't thought of it that way,
but I was in fact trying to take out the major Land-threat to my
participation in a draw.
Warsaw is yours for the nonce, mi amigo -- I may try to take it from you
again, but I can't really see what would be the point, if and-when.
I just hope to get to some sort of stabile (sp?) lines, where England and
R/T cant gang up on me! ;)
I really think we both would like Turkey at 4 better than at 5, though.
Well, I'll see what I can do about that. any hints?
I remember when you had written this game off, (unless that was posturing,
in which case Bravo! it worked!) and I am glad you are back in it.
Stay well -- this flu is really a bugger. If you can hold out until
february you should be ok, they say. I'm a strapping young buck, and it
laid me out flat!
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris,
I was waiting to see if u were gonna pull back like u said u were going to
before I went to next step in our "discussions". U are too "up in my face"
for me to have any comfort level. Let's have some pulling back, eh? The
proof's in the puddin'.
MiKaL
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
What's up? you sure don't talk much, do you? What is going on here? I am
the one who was willing to work with you from Day one. I am happy to help
you to grow North, around and away from me.
Why aren't we discussing your capture of Russian centers?
Chris
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Hmm, Turkey's fleet building ability, hey? I hadn't thought of it that
>way,
>but I was in fact trying to take out the major Land-threat to my
>participation in a draw.
All the more reason for me to keep him in. At least it keeps the final
result in doubt... d;-})
>Warsaw is yours for the nonce, mi amigo -- I may try to take it from you
>again, but I can't really see what would be the point, if and-when.
I never saw the point last time either... heh heh.
>I just hope to get to some sort of stable (sp?) lines, where England and
>R/T cant gang up on me! ;)
Well, you're fighting on interior lines, which is always good, but there's a
lot of territory to defend in a circle. At least you've got lots of wagons
to circle.
>I really think we both would like Turkey at 4 better than at 5, though.
>Well, I'll see what I can do about that. any hints?
None I'd share (for now).
>I remember when you had written this game off, (unless that was posturing,
>in which case Bravo! it worked!) and I am glad you are back in it.
Bit of both I guess. I hate to just up and quit, but I felt pretty ripped
off by the Judge collapsing.
>Stay well -- this flu is really a bugger. If you can hold out until
>february you should be ok, they say. I'm a strapping young buck, and it
>laid me out flat!
Well, I'm an old buck, but since my surgery, I've been eating right and
exercising a LOT. Going to the gym five days a week now and I've dropped
over 50 pounds in the last three months. Life is good. Now if I can just
get a couple of builds...
Cal
Message from Germany to Austria in 'ruffians':
> >
> > Message from [email protected] as Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > I thought I showed a lot of respect for you in laying out my thoughts like
> > that. I am, you know, expecting some sort of a reply.
> >
> > Chris
>
> Chris: Sorry. I thought that your letter was a reply to my letter. It never
> occurred to me to answer again.
> I've just re-read your letter (I keep em on file for a turn or so). As I
> told Cal and
> Christian, I stuck with you because it was my only path to a win. That path is
> now
> blocked, so I have to improvise.
> You really haven't submitted any concrete proposals for our sticking
> together; I
> assumed that we were now at odds. What exactly am I to do about A Hol, A Sil
> and A Boh? Beg you to stay away? And look: even if you backed off of me, where
>
> else would you go? You burned your bridges to Iberia and Russia, and you
> vitually emasculated yourself in the Balkans (you might even lose Bud!).
> It appears that you may have gone overboard in slowing my pace. Well, that
> was your choice eh?
>
> --Paul
Message from Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
Paul,
?well, I think you are quite right. If I backed off of you, where would I
go? It is why I haven't tried to come up with any sort of plan for working
things out -- we will have to have some shakedowns and see where we stand
before you and I can work together in this game I think! We may end up
allying to stop an R/T! ;(
Stay healthy, anyway. This flu that laid me out is a bear. It took me a
week to recover, and I still ain't really.
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
Ok, yeah, but HOW? I am willing to DISCUSS it, but without any of the
polite chiter-chater I value so highly, I expect you are still trying to
disembowel me, and I'll act accordingly.
Oh well. It looks like its too late now, unless you are online. I hope you
don't find my moves too offensive, I am trying to defend what I've got, and
move away from you at the same time.
Best,
Chris
Retreats
Message from Austria to England and Russia in
'ruffians':
Cal, Christian
It's been a good, long hard fought game, but I think it's about played out.
I can't get 18 anymore, not since I backed out of the Atlantic.
Can we agree to eliminate Germany and Turkey, and call it a three way? If
we all work together, It shouldn't be too hard to do -- I am content to hang
at 12 centers or so, I don't want to get up to like 15 where I'd be a
problem.
Gentlemen, what are your thoughts?
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
Good guesses! I had hoped that Christian might cut your support in the
north sea, but I had figured you to not attack Edi. Why not convoy from
london to Belgium, for greater diplomatic effect?
Alas, I don't build, and you dont' pull. this is going to be a mean fight,
if we go through with it. Yuk. Cal back at 5! How did THAT happen? At
least Turkey's bud got nipped. At least THAT went well for me.
Ok, so, I am looking at the situatioin -- could we back off from each other,
I to go after Russia again, you to finish off an un-suspecting England.
With the Turkish Threat down, I think I might actually be able to swing it.
Well, anyway, lets look at it. Its a new board, and I am not the type of
player to force a bad position forward -- I feel that we are more in balance
now than we were, anyway. I was too early in France, alas.
Best,
Chris
Message from Germany to Austria in 'ruffians':
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Paul,
>
> ?well, I think you are quite right. If I backed off of you, where would I
> go? It is why I haven't tried to come up with any sort of plan for working
> things out -- we will have to have some shakedowns and see where we stand
> before you and I can work together in this game I think! We may end up
> allying to stop an R/T! ;(
>
> Stay healthy, anyway. This flu that laid me out is a bear. It took me a
> week to recover, and I still ain't really.
My version of the flu was the 24 hour variety-- pukes, shakes-- on Christmas
day!
It gave me an excuse to skip a "family reunion" type party, which I always
dread.
Paul
>
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Well, a set back for me. A leap forward for you. We net one though.
Meef
Adjustments
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Well, a set back for me. A leap forward for you. We net one though.
Yeah, but this coming year, we'll make it a priority to get you at least one
build.
Got a note from Austria addressed to England and I. He's getting scared and
he wants E/R to agree to eliminate G/T and settle on a three way. I haven't
responded, but, needless to say, I'm not interested. Austria's position is
too vulnerable to guarantee him a three-way.
Talk to you later,
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria and England in
'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to England and Russia
in
> 'ruffians':
>
> It's been a good, long hard fought game, but I think it's about played
out.
> I can't get 18 anymore, not since I backed out of the Atlantic.
>
> Can we agree to eliminate Germany and Turkey, and call it a three way? If
> we all work together, It shouldn't be too hard to do -- I am content to
hang
> at 12 centers or so, I don't want to get up to like 15 where I'd be a
> problem.
>
> Gentlemen, what are your thoughts?
I would be willing to help you against Germany but, as I've said before,
Turkey is my "insurance policy" against Austrian aggression and I won't
willingly see him go down. Mind you I'm not fanatical that he be in the
draw or anything, but I'm just not willing to attack him.
Um, I should ask, is this game DIAS?
There's still a bit of play here yet and I don't think it will be as easy
for you to eliminate Germany as you think. We'll see how it plays out.
Christian?
Cal
Message from England to Austria and Russia in 'ruffians':
Chris, Cal,
I will for obvious reasons try to defend myself against Germany now and not move further into the Med-area. If Germany goes down I will be happy abou
t it. Whether you two wants to take T out is not my concern right now...
/Christian