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Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris, I built 2 fleets in preparation for our cooperative effort staying
out of bul and gre with armies.
How do we proceed?
Meef
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
fyi
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 8:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RE: Diplomacy results ruffians F1912B
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris, I built 2 fleets in preparation for our cooperative effort staying
out of bul and gre with armies.
How do we proceed?
Meef
End of message.
Movement orders for Spring of 1913. (ruffians.057)
Turkey: Fleet Constantinople, No Order Processed.
Turkey: Fleet Greece, No Order Processed.
Turkey: Fleet Bulgaria (south coast), No Order Processed.
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna, No Order Processed.
Turkey: Fleet Ankara, No Order Processed.
Orders not received for all units. If complete orders are not
received by Fri Jan 28 2000 23:30:00 PST, you will be considered late.
You will be considered abandoned if nothing is received by
Fri Feb 4 2000 23:30:00 PST.
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Sounds good. His reply will be interesting.
What would YOU like to do this turn?
Cal
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> Message sent to Austria:
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> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Chris, I built 2 fleets in preparation for our cooperative effort staying
> out of bul and gre with armies.
>
> How do we proceed?
>
> Meef
>
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> End of message.
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> Movement orders for Spring of 1913. (ruffians.057)
>
> Turkey: Fleet Constantinople, No Order Processed.
> Turkey: Fleet Greece, No Order Processed.
> Turkey: Fleet Bulgaria (south coast), No Order Processed.
> Turkey: Fleet Smyrna, No Order Processed.
> Turkey: Fleet Ankara, No Order Processed.
>
>
> Orders not received for all units. If complete orders are not
> received by Fri Jan 28 2000 23:30:00 PST, you will be considered late.
> You will be considered abandoned if nothing is received by
> Fri Feb 4 2000 23:30:00 PST.
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Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
I want to hold on to Gre until I can get out and protect it, but if he wants
Gre there is nothing I can do about it. I think Aus will take it back. I
think he is a little frustrated with the upstart Ottoman not rolling over
for him.
So maybe it will be more effective if we lurch forward this season making
our whole situation more effective.
How about:
a pru s war - sil
a war - sil
a gal - vie
a ukr - gal
a rum s ukr - gal
f con - aeg
f gre s con - aeg
f bul s gre
f ank - con
f smy - eas
Or do u think u can forge a deal with Aus?
thougths?
Sounds good. His reply will be interesting.
What would YOU like to do this turn?
Cal
Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
Paul,
I was just typing to make sure we're still on with what we agreed earlier.
/Christian
Message from Germany to England in 'ruffians':
>
> Message from [email protected] as England to Germany in
> 'ruffians':
>
> Paul,
>
> I was just typing to make sure we're still on with what we agreed earlier.
>
> /Christian
Yes, I will follow the outline that you sent before. I have no more incentive
to
engage in more adventurism with Austria, and I have absolutely no trust/hope
in
Chris.
Have you heard from Russia?
Paul
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Message from England to Germany in
'ruffians':
> Have you heard from Russia?
No, not really. He�s told me he�s not going to build northern fleets. Yea,
right!!
He has also told me Turkey forwards everything Austria writes to him. *smile*
all the best
Christian
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>I want to hold on to Gre until I can get out and protect it, but if he
>wants Gre there is nothing I can do about it. I think Aus will take it
>back. I think he is a little frustrated with the upstart Ottoman not
>rolling over for him.
I think he should learn to live with that, don't you? <G>
>So maybe it will be more effective if we lurch forward this season making
>our whole situation more effective.
>
>How about:
>
>a pru s war - sil
>a war - sil
>a gal - vie
>a ukr - gal
>a rum s ukr - gal
>
>f con - aeg
>f gre s con - aeg
>f bul s gre
>f ank - con
>f smy - eas
>Or do u think u can forge a deal with Aus?
I think I have little choice but to dance with the devil for another year.
If I attack him, I do believe that he will turn all his armies east against
Russia and I just can't stand against that much military strength (yet). As
soon as he gets whittled down a bit, either by England/Germany taking back
German home centres or by you taking Italian centres, I will move on him.
As for your suggested moves, I think you have your own moves down correctly.
I'm going to have to talk to Austria before I decide on mine. Did he ever
respond to your note about moving through the Med?
Later,
Cal
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Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
No word from Chris, ???
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
Hi Chris!
Since we agreed to let you stay in a comfort zone as regards my moves, I
need to know your suggestions. I'm willing to pop that Galician unit, so
just say when and where.
Cal
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> No word from Chris, ???
Not yet. I just sent him a note. Might be busy with the new baby...
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
I have not heard from Chris either.
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> I have not heard from Chris either.
That probably cinches it. He's most likely busy right now and also getting
just a tad fed up with the game.
Has Christian been writing to you? I assume Paul has given up (at least on
writing to me...)
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
No word from Christian for a while. As we get closer, the commo will pick
up.
Paul's last message to me was some kind of cock - in - bull he sent to half
the players about "I am ready to work". Sounded like Charlie Brown's momma.
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Ok, Sorry -- really busy here. People should be here to tear out the
kitchen Cabinets and the bathroom in an hour or so.
Ok What do you think of:
A Sil -> Gal
A Bud S A Sil -> Gal
A Tyr -> Vie
Of course, this leaves you the aggresive retreat to Bohemia. I think you
know what that would ignite, however. ;)
On your end, what are you thinking? I'd like Galicia -> Vienna for the
bounce. A unit moving towards StPete wouldn't ruin my day either.
Are you thinking that Liverpool will convoy to Brest, right now? Christian
is playing it pretty close to the vest.
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
do you prefer Mikal or Meef? I can go either way -- I tend to reply to
people the way they sign off. ;)
Ok. I would like to see the following, as a plan of getting your fleets
towards Spain
Move one fleet out into the Emed, Re-take the Black Sea, support Greece to
hold, Greece to hold. If you can be patient, we can work one fleet at a
time out into the Med -- I am all for this, ok? But if you come with
everything all at once, I am going to freak out when I send in orders. ;)
Still no interest in Stabbing Russia? It would work, he believes in you!
(tempt, tempt tempt.) ;)
sound good?
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
Ok, I am dead busy here, so a quick note to confirm what we have talked
about before.
I will be moving Piedmont -> Marsailles, and then through to a non -SC
province in the fall.
Niether of us will move to the Westmed, and your fleet in Marsailles will
move to Spain, and then back to Marsailles.
We talked about all that a week ago, right?
I assume you will be convoying to Brest. Do you need Kiel to support an
attack on Denmark at this time?
All the best,
Chris
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> No word from Christian for a while. As we get closer, the commo will pick
> up.
>
> Paul's last message to me was some kind of cock - in - bull he sent to
half
> the players about "I am ready to work". Sounded like Charlie Brown's
momma.
Laff!
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in
'ruffians':
>
> Ok, Sorry -- really busy here. People should be here to tear out the
> kitchen Cabinets and the bathroom in an hour or so.
I expect to knwo how THAT feels NEXT Spring...
> Ok What do you think of:
>
> A Sil -> Gal
> A Bud S A Sil -> Gal
> A Tyr -> Vie
>
> Of course, this leaves you the aggresive retreat to Bohemia. I think you
> know what that would ignite, however. ;)
>
> On your end, what are you thinking? I'd like Galicia -> Vienna for the
> bounce. A unit moving towards StPete wouldn't ruin my day either.
That's prety much what I was thinking. you didn't comment on my earlier
suggestion about A Pru-Sil to cover MY butt, so I'll ask it again... I've
got to do *something* that looks aggresive or Christian will get supicious.
> Are you thinking that Liverpool will convoy to Brest, right now?
Christian
> is playing it pretty close to the vest.
Again, we're thinking along the same lines. He hasn't written lately so I
can't gauge his intent, but that makes sense.
Guess everyone is taking a breather for a couple of days...
Cal
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris,
I do not know if u have ever played the diplomacy cd rom game, but anyway
there is a setting of your attitude u have toward other players. From nice
to stern (not the exact wording of the game). My signoff name whether Meef
or MiKal is a reflection of my demeanor. MiKal being an "official" title of
the Sultan, Meef being the guy behind the facade. So...
I would rather not go into the bla or stab Russia.
How about:
f smy s con - aeg
f con - aeg
f ank - con
f bul(sc) s gre
f gre s con - aeg
That would be one fleet at a time so we can maximize our comfort level.
BTW, what kinda of thoughts do u have so I can pickup an sc or two as not to
overextend myself as I head toward the med?
Thoughts?
Meef
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
do you prefer Mikal or Meef? I can go either way -- I tend to reply to
people the way they sign off. ;)
Ok. I would like to see the following, as a plan of getting your fleets
towards Spain
Move one fleet out into the Emed, Re-take the Black Sea, support Greece to
hold, Greece to hold. If you can be patient, we can work one fleet at a
time out into the Med -- I am all for this, ok? But if you come with
everything all at once, I am going to freak out when I send in orders. ;)
Still no interest in Stabbing Russia? It would work, he believes in you!
(tempt, tempt tempt.) ;)
sound good?
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
fyi
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 12:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RE: Diplomacy notice: ruffians
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris,
I do not know if u have ever played the diplomacy cd rom game, but anyway
there is a setting of your attitude u have toward other players. From nice
to stern (not the exact wording of the game). My signoff name whether Meef
or MiKal is a reflection of my demeanor. MiKal being an "official" title of
the Sultan, Meef being the guy behind the facade. So...
I would rather not go into the bla or stab Russia.
How about:
f smy s con - aeg
f con - aeg
f ank - con
f bul(sc) s gre
f gre s con - aeg
That would be one fleet at a time so we can maximize our comfort level.
BTW, what kinda of thoughts do u have so I can pickup an sc or two as not to
overextend myself as I head toward the med?
Thoughts?
Meef
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
do you prefer Mikal or Meef? I can go either way -- I tend to reply to
people the way they sign off. ;)
Ok. I would like to see the following, as a plan of getting your fleets
towards Spain
Move one fleet out into the Emed, Re-take the Black Sea, support Greece to
hold, Greece to hold. If you can be patient, we can work one fleet at a
time out into the Med -- I am all for this, ok? But if you come with
everything all at once, I am going to freak out when I send in orders. ;)
Still no interest in Stabbing Russia? It would work, he believes in you!
(tempt, tempt tempt.) ;)
sound good?
Best,
Chris
End of message.
Movement orders for Spring of 1913. (ruffians.057)
Turkey: Fleet Constantinople -> Aegean Sea.
Turkey: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Constantinople -> Aegean Sea.
Turkey: Fleet Bulgaria (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Greece.
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna -> Eastern Mediterranean.
Turkey: Fleet Ankara -> Constantinople.
You have set 'wait' status so orders will not be processed
before Fri Jan 28 2000 23:30:00 PST.
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Sorry, a move of Prussa to Silesia will be ok, but I was thinking that
Berlin would be the easiest center for you to move into next. I guess you
can move there from Silesia . . .
What do you think of our fleet heavy Turk. That has to be the nicest thing
you've seen all week. Maybe longer!
Best,
Chris
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
<<That would be one fleet at a time so we can maximize our comfort level.>>
Works for me.
<<I do not know if u have ever played the diplomacy cd rom game, but anyway
there is a setting of your attitude u have toward other players. From nice
to stern (not the exact wording of the game). >>
;) I beta tested it actually -- it really is pretty, too bad about the AI.
Hey, are you saying I play like the hasbro AI? Ouch!
<<BTW, what kinda of thoughts do u have so I can pickup an sc or two as not
to
overextend myself as I head toward the med?
Thoughts?
Meef>>
This is the problem. What SC do you suggest? The nearest one is Spain --
and that is 3 years away, soonest. I can't afford to give up Tunis or
naples unless I am making real gains in france. Which I don't see
happening right now.
Can you wait that long? My fear is once I let you into the Ionian I can't
control where you go from there Right now I can hold the Ionian against the
Three fleets you can put on it -- but it'd be really easy for England to
back door me. We are going to have to see how it goes, and be very, very
patient.
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
"Works for me."
so:
f smy s con - aeg
f con - aeg
f ank - con
f bul(sc) s gre
f gre s con - aeg
it is.
"This is the problem. What SC do you suggest? The nearest one is Spain --
and that is 3 years away, soonest. I can't afford to give up Tunis or
naples unless I am making real gains in france. Which I don't see
happening right now. Can you wait that long? My fear is once I let you
into the Ionian I can't control where you go from there Right now I can
hold the Ionian against the Three fleets you can put on it -- but it'd be
really easy for England to back door me. We are going to have to see how it
goes, and be very, very patient."
I am willing to be patient and take baby steps toward a cooperative effort.
Meef
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> fyi
He just wrote to me too. He's finally stopped (for now) asking me to attack
you. He figures I must have been happy to see your builds... <G>
We're going to arrange a pseudo-attack against each other this turn with the
idea of throwing England off the scent. I'll end up with A Gal annihilated
so I can build a northern fleet. No sure that's what I'll build, but it
will kep Austria happy for the moment.
Just so you know, I am committed to taking Austria down with you so we can
try for a two-way draw. That would be a great achievement in a demo game.
I just want to make sure that we are strong enough to stop England from
expanding and forcing his way into a draw (or victory). It will be tricky,
but that's what the game is all about...
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
I think Chris and I have the beginnings of a deal. I welcome any input u
have.
Meef
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 12:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RE: Diplomacy notice: ruffians
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
"Works for me."
so:
f smy s con - aeg
f con - aeg
f ank - con
f bul(sc) s gre
f gre s con - aeg
it is.
"This is the problem. What SC do you suggest? The nearest one is Spain --
and that is 3 years away, soonest. I can't afford to give up Tunis or
naples unless I am making real gains in france. Which I don't see
happening right now. Can you wait that long? My fear is once I let you
into the Ionian I can't control where you go from there Right now I can
hold the Ionian against the Three fleets you can put on it -- but it'd be
really easy for England to back door me. We are going to have to see how it
goes, and be very, very patient."
I am willing to be patient and take baby steps toward a cooperative effort.
Meef
End of message.
Movement orders for Spring of 1913. (ruffians.057)
Turkey: Fleet Constantinople -> Aegean Sea.
Turkey: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Constantinople -> Aegean Sea.
Turkey: Fleet Bulgaria (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Greece.
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna SUPPORT Fleet Constantinople -> Aegean Sea.
Turkey: Fleet Ankara -> Constantinople.
You have set 'wait' status so orders will not be processed
before Fri Jan 28 2000 23:30:00 PST.
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Cal,
>
> I think Chris and I have the beginnings of a deal. I welcome any input u
> have.
Sounds good to me. He's very correct about not being able to control you
once you're in the Ionian. In fact, he's so right that you should tell him
anything necessary to get there. Say you'll settle for Spain and once
you're in the Ionian, you can grab like mad for as many Italian centres as
you can as fast as you can. With you growing to 8 or so centres and him
losing a couple, it'll be clear for me to jump on his home turf. With luck,
we could both reach 9 or 10 centres or so within three years.
What do you think?
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in
'ruffians':
>
> Sorry, a move of Prussa to Silesia will be ok, but I was thinking that
> Berlin would be the easiest center for you to move into next. I guess you
> can move there from Silesia . . .
Okay, I'll make the moves.
> What do you think of our fleet heavy Turk. That has to be the nicest
thing
> you've seen all week. Maybe longer!
More like all game, given the way this sucker has progressed. Let's see.
I've had four different countries occupy one or more of my home centres and
the only home centre I HAVEN'T lost at one point or another is Moscow. Even
if I don't get a piece of a draw, I should get the Tenacity Award... <G>
Later,
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
That sounds a whole lot better that trying to slug my way out of this hole I
am in. Should prove interesting, he he.
Meef
"Sounds good to me. He's very correct about not being able to control you
once you're in the Ionian. In fact, he's so right that you should tell him
anything necessary to get there. Say you'll settle for Spain and once
you're in the Ionian, you can grab like mad for as many Italian centres as
you can as fast as you can. With you growing to 8 or so centres and him
losing a couple, it'll be clear for me to jump on his home turf. With luck,
we could both reach 9 or 10 centres or so within three years.
What do you think?
Cal"
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
Hi Christian! Any news on the game? As you can see, I'm definitely
following up on my attack on Austria and will continue to do so.
Right now, only one thing has me concerned: are you going to make sure that
Germany can't get Norway? The last thing either of us wants is for me to
have to start moving armies north to cover/regain St Pete's. Especially
from a German fleet for crying out loud...!
Later,
Cal
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Hi Meef!
Just looking at what Austria wants me to do and, if I go along with it, he
would be able to stab me by taking Rumania.
Here's what he wants:
A: a tyo-vie; a sil-gal, s by a bud
R: a gal-vie; a pru-sil
That would dislodge the army in Gal and allow it to be retreated off the
board, ostensibly to be rebuilt in St Pete's as a fleet. Unfortunately, it
would also give him three units on Rumania and he could take it if he wants.
Here's the moves you said you'd be making:
>f con - aeg
>f gre s con - aeg
>f bul s gre
>f ank - con
>f smy - eas
What's the odds of you moving F Ank-Bla? That way, I'd be covered with
support from you if Austria decides to fink out. Thoughts?
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
I have NO PROBLEM moving ank to bla to support u.
order issued f ank - bla.
If we leave ourselves open, Chris would not hesitate to gut us.
Meef
"Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Hi Meef!
Just looking at what Austria wants me to do and, if I go along with it, he
would be able to stab me by taking Rumania.
Here's what he wants:
A: a tyo-vie; a sil-gal, s by a bud
R: a gal-vie; a pru-sil
That would dislodge the army in Gal and allow it to be retreated off the
board, ostensibly to be rebuilt in St Pete's as a fleet. Unfortunately, it
would also give him three units on Rumania and he could take it if he wants.
Here's the moves you said you'd be making:
>f con - aeg
>f gre s con - aeg
>f bul s gre
>f ank - con
>f smy - eas
What's the odds of you moving F Ank-Bla? That way, I'd be covered with
support from you if Austria decides to fink out. Thoughts?
Cal"
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Cal,
> I have NO PROBLEM moving ank to bla to support u.
>
> order issued f ank - bla.
>
> If we leave ourselves open, Chris would not hesitate to gut us.
>
> Meef
Okay, that will be cool. If all goes according to plan, I will need you to
support Rum in the Fall.
Thanks again,
Cal
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
Cal,
>Hi Christian! Any news on the game? As you can see, I'm definitely
>following up on my attack on Austria and will continue to do so.
Good.
>Right now, only one thing has me concerned: are you going to make sure that
>Germany can't get Norway? The last thing either of us wants is for me to
>have to start moving armies north to cover/regain St Pete's. Especially
>from a German fleet for crying out loud...!
I will bounce myself in Nwy. That means I will not be in Nwy during fall so
I hope you're not going to be in StP (as I do not want to need to cover
Nwy...)
Now worries,
all the best
/Christian
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
Yes, we're still "on".
>I assume you will be convoying to Brest. Do you need Kiel to support an
>attack on Denmark at this time?
No, I will support an attack to NTH while covering York with Lpl. This
leaves Paul a retreat to ENG (and I will be with a fleet in Brest) or NWG
from where he cannot take Nwy or Hel from where he will not be able to take
Kiel from you as I will move to Denmark and Hel next season.
all the best
/Christian
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
<<No, I will support an attack to NTH while covering York with Lpl. This
leaves Paul a retreat to ENG (and I will be with a fleet in Brest) or NWG
from where he cannot take Nwy or Hel from where he will not be able to take
Kiel from you as I will move to Denmark and Hel next season.
all the best
/Christian>>
Sounds good. NAO to MAO as well? If you move MAO -> channel and NAO ->
MAO, then you can take brest in the fall and control G's retreat further, as
well as having an attack on Belgium in the fall . . .
Just thoughts!
Chris
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia in
> 'ruffians':
> I will bounce myself in Nwy. That means I will not be in Nwy during fall
so
> I hope you're not going to be in StP (as I do not want to need to cover
> Nwy...)
I will most definitely not be moving to Livonia or Moscow this Spring, so
you can feel safe about Norway. <g>
Later,
Cal
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
>Sounds good. NAO to MAO as well? If you move MAO -> channel and NAO ->
>MAO, then you can take brest in the fall and control G's retreat further, as
>well as having an attack on Belgium in the fall . . .
Actually I was thinking of that too. I haven't decided yet.
/Christian
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
cal
Oh, I can feel the dagger coming.
:)
Chris
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Problem!
A closer examination of the board shows that IF we go through with the plan
as discussed, I would have three units on Rumania, and you would be unable
to defend it.
I would have
A Gal
A Bud
A Ser
and you
A Rum
A Ukr,
no a Sev to back it up, no friendly fleet in the black sea.
I don't want to get in this position. I also wonder why you didn't point
this out?
Chris
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in
'ruffians':
>
>
> cal
>
> Oh, I can feel the dagger coming.
>
> :)
>From which direction, pray tell? d;-})
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in
'ruffians':
>
> Problem!
As those psych freaks at work would say, there ARE no problems, only
opportunites...
> A closer examination of the board shows that IF we go through with the
plan
> as discussed, I would have three units on Rumania, and you would be unable
> to defend it.
> no a Sev to back it up, no friendly fleet in the black sea.
>
> I don't want to get in this position. I also wonder why you didn't point
> this out?
Meef is moving to Black Sea to cover my back. We didn't tell you for the
simple reason that you would take it as reason to continue to try an get him
to stab me...
Wheels within wheels... heh heh
Cal
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Ok, but what about the other message I sent?
Message sent to Russia:
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Problem!
A closer examination of the board shows that IF we go through with the plan
as discussed, I would have three units on Rumania, and you would be unable
to defend it.
I would have
A Gal
A Bud
A Ser
and you
A Rum
A Ukr,
no a Sev to back it up, no friendly fleet in the black sea.
I don't want to get in this position. I also wonder why you didn't point
this out?
Chris
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey in
'ruffians':
Meef?
Can you back this up?
Chris
> A closer examination of the board shows that IF we go through with the
plan
> as discussed, I would have three units on Rumania, and you would be unable
> to defend it.
> no a Sev to back it up, no friendly fleet in the black sea.
>
> I don't want to get in this position. I also wonder why you didn't point
> this out?
Meef is moving to Black Sea to cover my back. We didn't tell you for the
simple reason that you would take it as reason to continue to try an get him
to stab me...
Wheels within wheels... heh heh
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey in
'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia and Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
>
> Meef?
>
> Can you back this up?
You're not implying that I would LIE to you, are you, Chris? Sheesh! d;-})
Cal
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia and Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
> Meef?
>
> Can you back this up?
Better go along with me, he's getting worried... <G>
Cal
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey in
'ruffians':
Or that Turkey wouldn't back up the lie if you WERE lying? ;)
heheh.
Ok, slight change of plans then?
Meef, will you please bounce me in the EastMED? All else as we discussed,
AND it guarantees I can't attack Greece.
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
How do u want me to respond to this? Twisting his nose a little, eh? He
He.
Meef
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:19 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Diplomacy notice: ruffians
>
>
> This Diplomacy Adjudicator sponsored by David Kovar.
> Report JUDGE Problems to [email protected]
> Report problems with individual games to your GM.
>
> Please do NOT run RT games on this judge.
>
> ***********************************************************
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>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia and Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
>
> Meef?
>
> Can you back this up?
>
> Chris
> > A closer examination of the board shows that IF we go through with the
> plan
> > as discussed, I would have three units on Rumania, and you
> would be unable
> > to defend it.
>
> > no a Sev to back it up, no friendly fleet in the black sea.
> >
> > I don't want to get in this position. I also wonder why you
> didn't point
> > this out?
>
> Meef is moving to Black Sea to cover my back. We didn't tell you for the
> simple reason that you would take it as reason to continue to try
> an get him
> to stab me...
>
> Wheels within wheels... heh heh
>
> Cal
>
>
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Cal,
> How do u want me to respond to this? Twisting his nose a little, eh? He
> He.
Who? Me? Heh heh. Yeah, well, he's responded to my note, so you may as
well go along with what he says. Guess if he wants to bounce in East,
you'll probably have to go along with it.
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey in
'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia and Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
> Or that Turkey wouldn't back up the lie if you WERE lying? ;)
>
> heheh.
Well, now that you mention it, I'm even surprised you asked... Slow day,
huh?
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
I do not see a problem bouncing him in Ion. "Meef, will you please bounce
me in the EastMED? All else as we discussed, AND it guarantees I can't
attack Greece." Bouncing him ion does not guarantee anything.
What is Chris up to. Any ideas?
Meef
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:30 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Diplomacy notice: ruffians
>
>
> This Diplomacy Adjudicator sponsored by David Kovar.
> Report JUDGE Problems to [email protected]
> Report problems with individual games to your GM.
>
> Please do NOT run RT games on this judge.
>
> ***********************************************************
> Any unmoderated games on this judge will be removed.
> (I.e., if you don't have a master, the game is in jeopardy.
> if in doubt, send a list <gamename>)
> ***********************************************************
>
> Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> > Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
> >
> >
> > Cal,
> > How do u want me to respond to this? Twisting his nose a
> little, eh? He
> > He.
>
> Who? Me? Heh heh. Yeah, well, he's responded to my note, so you may as
> well go along with what he says. Guess if he wants to bounce in East,
> you'll probably have to go along with it.
>
> Cal
>
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Cal,
> I do not see a problem bouncing him in Ion. "Meef, will you please bounce
> me in the EastMED? All else as we discussed, AND it guarantees I can't
> attack Greece." Bouncing him ion does not guarantee anything.
>
> What is Chris up to. Any ideas?
Sounds like he wants an extra season of security in Ion before he considers
letting you in there?
Maybe, with your move to Black, he REALLY figures he can't break us up and
this scares him a fair bit. Maybe enough that he may not WANT to let you
into Ionian anymore. This would be bad news as we would have to get an army
into Serbia before we could force the Ion. Why don't you just write him and
ask him what this would accomplish? Remind him that bottling you up
wouldn't be in anyone's best interests and would force R/T to attack him.
Be real subtle about the last point though... Don't want to scare him any
further.
Cal
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris,
I can substantiate the fact the I am f ank - bla this season. I thought it
would not matter since u had requested me moving into bla in the beginning.
As far as bouncing eas, I do not have a problem with that, not really
understanding the purpose of it, except giving u a higher comfort level.
Anything I can do to increase your comfort level, I am pleased to do.
However the statement of "it guarantees I can't attack Greece" confuses me a
little. Could u still not annihilate my fleet in Greece with the orders I
am issuing?
Thoughts?
Meef
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:27 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Diplomacy notice: ruffians
>
>
> This Diplomacy Adjudicator sponsored by David Kovar.
> Report JUDGE Problems to [email protected]
> Report problems with individual games to your GM.
>
> Please do NOT run RT games on this judge.
>
> ***********************************************************
> Any unmoderated games on this judge will be removed.
> (I.e., if you don't have a master, the game is in jeopardy.
> if in doubt, send a list <gamename>)
> ***********************************************************
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia and Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Or that Turkey wouldn't back up the lie if you WERE lying? ;)
>
> heheh.
>
> Ok, slight change of plans then?
>
> Meef, will you please bounce me in the EastMED? All else as we discussed,
> AND it guarantees I can't attack Greece.
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
fyi
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 4:02 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: RE: Diplomacy notice: ruffians
>
>
> This Diplomacy Adjudicator sponsored by David Kovar.
> Report JUDGE Problems to [email protected]
> Report problems with individual games to your GM.
>
> Please do NOT run RT games on this judge.
>
> ***********************************************************
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> ***********************************************************
>
> :: Judge: USEF Game: Ruffians Variant: Standard
> :: Deadline: S1913M Fri Jan 28 2000 23:30:00 PST
>
> Message sent to Austria:
>
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Chris,
>
> I can substantiate the fact the I am f ank - bla this season. I
> thought it
> would not matter since u had requested me moving into bla in the
> beginning.
> As far as bouncing eas, I do not have a problem with that, not really
> understanding the purpose of it, except giving u a higher comfort level.
> Anything I can do to increase your comfort level, I am pleased to do.
> However the statement of "it guarantees I can't attack Greece"
> confuses me a
> little. Could u still not annihilate my fleet in Greece with the orders I
> am issuing?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Meef
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:27 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Diplomacy notice: ruffians
> >
> >
> > This Diplomacy Adjudicator sponsored by David Kovar.
> > Report JUDGE Problems to [email protected]
> > Report problems with individual games to your GM.
> >
> > Please do NOT run RT games on this judge.
> >
> > ***********************************************************
> > Any unmoderated games on this judge will be removed.
> > (I.e., if you don't have a master, the game is in jeopardy.
> > if in doubt, send a list <gamename>)
> > ***********************************************************
> >
> > Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia
> and Turkey in
> > 'ruffians':
> >
> >
> > Or that Turkey wouldn't back up the lie if you WERE lying? ;)
> >
> > heheh.
> >
> > Ok, slight change of plans then?
> >
> > Meef, will you please bounce me in the EastMED? All else as we
> discussed,
> > AND it guarantees I can't attack Greece.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> End of message.
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Meef,
Well, yes, except I am supporting Budapest to hold from Serbia.
Dammit man, you have to CONSIDER stabbing Russia if we can take Two dots off
him ! ;)
Hehheheheheh. Am I really that predictible?
how terrible for me. ;)
Chris
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
Admit it. You are waiting up for results.
Chris
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
'ruffians':
>
>
> Admit it. You are waiting up for results.
>
> Chris
This from the guy who complained about the SET WAIT I put on a couple of
turns ago... <g>
Cal
(Who didn't even know tonight was the deadline...)
Retreats
Message from Germany to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris:
I'm disgruntled. You're obviously willing to settle for a 2-way
with England, but
you wouldn't consider one with Germany!
Paul
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Paul to Chris: You created that monster in England; now you'll have to
live with him.
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
sorry that I lied to you this turn. I did it because I was afraid that
you'd tell Paul what I was about to do. Letting him know about my defence
and move into Marseilles could have been VERY dangerous for me. I am sorry
if this gave us a moves setback and loss of momentum but now I know you are
trustable and Paul is no danger to me.
Again, sorry for lying.
all the best
Swedish Chris
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
cal,
I do not trust Chris. Every message i get from him alludes to me stabbing
u. FYI
Meef
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 11:19 PM
Subject: Diplomacy notice: ruffians
> This Diplomacy Adjudicator sponsored by David Kovar.
> Report JUDGE Problems to [email protected]
> Report problems with individual games to your GM.
>
> Please do NOT run RT games on this judge.
>
> ***********************************************************
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> (I.e., if you don't have a master, the game is in jeopardy.
> if in doubt, send a list <gamename>)
> ***********************************************************
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
'ruffians':
>
>
> Meef,
>
> Well, yes, except I am supporting Budapest to hold from Serbia.
>
> Dammit man, you have to CONSIDER stabbing Russia if we can take Two dots
off
> him ! ;)
>
> Hehheheheheh. Am I really that predictible?
>
> how terrible for me. ;)
>
> Chris
>
>
>
Message from Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
Paul,
What makes you think E/A can eliminate R/T?
I aint seeing it!
Chris
Message from Germany to Austria in 'ruffians':
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Paul,
>
> What makes you think E/A can eliminate R/T?
>
> I aint seeing it!
>
> Chris
E/A don't seem to be bothering one another, or R/A either. You're just
bothering
Germany. What happens after that can't be my concern.
Paul
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>cal,
>
>I do not trust Chris. Every message i get from him alludes to me stabbing
>u. FYI
>
>Meef
Basically, Chris is positive that I'm just lying in wait to get him back for
stabbing me. He's not far wrong, although I won't throw the game to England
to do it (that's the part he doesn't seem to be aware of...), so he is
trying to turn you against me as a sort of pre-emptive strike against me.
He'd like to see me involved SOMEWHERE so my armies aren't hovering over him
the way they are currently.
Don't worry about it. You and I going to stay solid. This game is likely
to end as a three-way, but we just need to make sure you and I are BOTH part
of it. That means someone else has to go and I'd like it be Chris. The
balancing act we'll have to pull off to prevent an English win will be the
tricky part.
Cal
Message from Russia to England in 'ruffians':
Hi Christian!
What's the deal with your moves? You said you'd be bouncing in Norway so
that Germany couldn't threaten St. Pete's. It's just lucky he moved to Hel
or I'd be losing St Pete's again this Fall.
So what happened?
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
Hi Chris,
So now what? We both ordered exactly as we said we would (fiurst time for
everything, eh?). I will be disbanding Gal as soon as I set up a cover
story with England.
Any suggestions now? Are you still planning to give me Berlin or has that
changed? What about the Med situation? We have to give that some thought
pretty soon before the Western Seas turn navy blue...
Cal
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Kraut to Lord Whatshisname, Admiral of the Ocean Sea:
Yes, it's decided. You DO have a serious phobia against entering
the Med area..
Now really, Christian. Using THREE units to take an empty space? Oh.
You want
to take Paris too, eh?
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
Cal,
My fianc� are having some heavy pains of that kind you have when you expect
to give birth to a child (whatever that is called in English) so I will
answer VERY brief...
I took a wild shot at Paul trusting me one last turn AND HE DID! That was
very good indeed for us as now Nwy/STP can be forever vacated and I have
time to ship armies to France and mainland Germany. Sorry if I lied about
covering Nwy but I didn't want my guessing to be out at all. I also lied to
Chris about this and he is so pissed at me...as I had also promised him to
get into mar to be able to continue to Burgundy.
Anyway, as you see my moves were very pro-russia but I couldn't tell you as
I was not sure wheather you would pass it on to Paul.
Yes, I am paranoid.
later
/Christian
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
Who's delaying the game by refusing to send in his retreat?
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
>
>
>
>Who's delaying the game by refusing to send in his retreat?
Shouldn't be hard to figure out if you check the last results.
Just cuz I'm not writing to you doesn't mean I'm inactive, Paul...
Cal
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> >Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
> >
> >
> >
> >Who's delaying the game by refusing to send in his retreat?
>
> Shouldn't be hard to figure out if you check the last results.
>
> Just cuz I'm not writing to you doesn't mean I'm inactive, Paul...
>
> Cal
Cal, my previous message was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek ribbing
for your
messages to tardy players last season (Turkey?) (Austria?).
I'm quite out of your reach, and I'm likely to be gone by the time
you get here,
but I invite you to the dots-that-once-were-German so that you can say
you punished me (if that is still your priority). Not that I care
anymore....
Paul
Message from Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
Seriously, what is the holdup? You can use Turkey's move to the Black sea
as an excuse for the disband. If he wonders, tell england I promised not to
attack you if you disbanded the unit.
hmmm. would he believe that? I dunno, he's been pretty gullible.
Chris
Message from Austria to Germany in 'ruffians':
Paul,
Well, you are quite right, I have created an English monster.
If you are interested, I will be ordering Kiel to support Denmark to hold.
This should free you to defend Paris and Belgium. Or you could take Kiel.
At this point I have no further designs on German centers, and indeed
cherish you as a buffer against England!
Chris
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
I understand about your lying -- I shouldn't have asked in the first place.
I really wanted reassurance that you wouldn't be going to Westmed!
Ah, well.
I almost moved my fleet in the Tyhr to the Gol on the principle that if you
didn't let me in, I'd force my way in, but that wouldn't have done us much
good, would it?
I think Turkey is really going to stab Russia this time. Do you have any
info on that score?
Chris
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> > >
> > >Who's delaying the game by refusing to send in his retreat?
> >
> > Shouldn't be hard to figure out if you check the last results.
> >
> > Just cuz I'm not writing to you doesn't mean I'm inactive, Paul...
> >
> > Cal
>
>Cal, my previous message was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek ribbing
>for your
>messages to tardy players last season (Turkey?) (Austria?).
> I'm quite out of your reach, and I'm likely to be gone by the time
>you get here,
>but I invite you to the dots-that-once-were-German so that you can say
>you punished me (if that is still your priority). Not that I care
>anymore....
Actually, I understood that, but my reply sure didn't show it. Sorry about
that, Paul.
BTW, I sent my retreat in yesterday, but my confirmation didn't come back
til today. Still haven't seen the results though. Wonder what's going on?
Cal
Message from Russia to Austria in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Austria to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>Seriously, what is the holdup? You can use Turkey's move to the Black sea
>as an excuse for the disband. If he wonders, tell england I promised not
>to
>attack you if you disbanded the unit.
>hmmm. would he believe that? I dunno, he's been pretty gullible.
Seriously, I don't know what the holdup is. I sent my disband in yesterday
and even got a confirmation. I think the Judge is being flaky. Somebody
commented on this in r.g.d...
I'll send it again as a reply to this message.
Cal
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> >Broadcast message from [email protected] as Germany in 'ruffians':
> >
> > > >
> > > >Who's delaying the game by refusing to send in his retreat?
> > >
> > > Shouldn't be hard to figure out if you check the last results.
> > >
> > > Just cuz I'm not writing to you doesn't mean I'm inactive, Paul...
> > >
> > > Cal
> >
> >Cal, my previous message was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek ribbing
> >for your
> >messages to tardy players last season (Turkey?) (Austria?).
> > I'm quite out of your reach, and I'm likely to be gone by the time
> >you get here,
> >but I invite you to the dots-that-once-were-German so that you can say
> >you punished me (if that is still your priority). Not that I care
> >anymore....
>
> Actually, I understood that, but my reply sure didn't show it. Sorry about
> that, Paul.
I always find it amusing when two people are talking to each other BOTH
with some TIC and they both misunderstand each other lol, lol, lol OR
as Bob Olsen used to say, hyork, hyork, hyork.
>
> BTW, I sent my retreat in yesterday, but my confirmation didn't come back
> til today. Still haven't seen the results though. Wonder what's going on?
>
> Cal
>
The Judge did go into a brief slow down or break down for awhile last
night/this morning. It does seem to be back now. We always could
move back to the FROG judge ;-) It finally is coming back up (most
of you undoubtedly received the notice).
Jim
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Observer in 'ruffians':
>
>The Judge did go into a brief slow down or break down for awhile last
>night/this morning. It does seem to be back now. We always could
>move back to the FROG judge ;-) It finally is coming back up (most
>of you undoubtedly received the notice).
Only if I get to go back to the seven centres that damned thing cost me last
time...
Cal