| Press for Fall of 1915 in ruffians |
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Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
How about:
f tun h
f rom h
f aeg - ion
f gre s bul
a bul s sev - rum
f bla s sev - rum
a sev - rum
a ukr - gal
u r guaranteed rum and a build, I can get a fleet out to help support my
holdings.
This will give me 2 builds, and u 1 build, setting Chris back a net of 2
units, Christian back a net of one unit, Paul Even.
We will control 13 units, 5 away from being part of the "final solution".
Thoughts?
Meef
> Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> Hi Meef!
>
> How does this look for the Fall?
>
> Turkey
> A Bul-Ser
> F Aeg-Bul(sc)
> F Gre s F Aeg-Bul(sc)
> F Bla s A Sev-Rum
>
> Russia
> A Sev-Rum
> A Ukr-Gal
>
> That should knock Chris down a unit or so and we get you Serbia next year.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Cal
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
What do you want from me, Blood?
Seriously, talk to me. What do you want, my elimination?
Chris
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
What do you want? I am really getting quite fed up with all this crap. I
will be attemping to take Sev with Turkish help. If that doesn't happen, I
AM throwing this game to you so hard you may have trouble catching it.
May I suggest taking the Westmed, finally? Convoy that army to Norway, will
you? I will hold Munich, and you should be able to take one of holland or
Belgium, yes?
Chris
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> How about:
>
> f tun h
> f rom h
> f aeg - ion
> f gre s bul
> a bul s sev - rum
> f bla s sev - rum
>
> a sev - rum
> a ukr - gal
>
> u r guaranteed rum and a build, I can get a fleet out to help support my
> holdings.
>
> This will give me 2 builds, and u 1 build, setting Chris back a net of 2
> units, Christian back a net of one unit, Paul Even.
>
> We will control 13 units, 5 away from being part of the "final solution".
>
> Thoughts?
Okay, works for me. I'm still surprised by the fact that Chris isn't in
Silesia and ready to take Warsaw. Oh well, I'm not going to complain. d;-})
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
We had a surprisingly good last season. I did not hear from Chris at all
during last season. He is wanting to talk pretty badly now. I think I am
gonna let him sweat until after winter adjustments before I reply.
Austria trying to hold 3 fronts is costing him. Maybe he did not expect
much pressure from the south?!?!
I would like us to get past the stalemate line around stp when feasible. I
do not see Austria and England being able to coordinate a defense against us
with all the bad blood between them. A breakout on the northern flank seems
to me the best way to victory.
Thoughts?
Meef
>
> Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> > Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
> >
> > How about:
> >
> > f tun h
> > f rom h
> > f aeg - ion
> > f gre s bul
> > a bul s sev - rum
> > f bla s sev - rum
> >
> > a sev - rum
> > a ukr - gal
> >
> > u r guaranteed rum and a build, I can get a fleet out to help support my
> > holdings.
> >
> > This will give me 2 builds, and u 1 build, setting Chris back a net of 2
> > units, Christian back a net of one unit, Paul Even.
> >
> > We will control 13 units, 5 away from being part of the "final
> solution".
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> Okay, works for me. I'm still surprised by the fact that Chris isn't in
> Silesia and ready to take Warsaw. Oh well, I'm not going to
> complain. d;-})
>
> Cal
>
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
Hm, I will surely be abel to catch it! :)
I really don't want to discuss my exact moves but yes you will like them. I
guess you should hold Munich because if I vacate Burgundy you don't get
Munich. Regarding south, could you please not attack LYO. Supporting
Marseilles should be anough, I can take it anyway if I really want. (No, I
know, you have the chance to guess about cutting Burgundy or supporting
Mar-Bur but nevertheless...)
BTW, I feel quite sure this is going to happen:
Russia:
A Ukr-Gal
A Liv-Pru
A War S Ukr-Gal/Liv-Pru
A Sev-Rum
Turkey:
F Bla S A Sev-Rum
A Bul-Ser
F Aeg-Bul
F Gre S Aeg-Bul (to defend it from Rum-Bul supported by Ser)
Yes, I do think they are still working together. Might be so obvious that
they stab ? Anyway, this is what Turkey tells me will happen. Russia just
says he�s going to build. I have a hard time convincing him to not build a
fleet. He wants to get into BerKie or something.
Christian
Message from England to Russia and Turkey in 'ruffians':
Hi Guys!
I guess you�re taking Rum and securing Bul by attacking yourself with support?
That means Chris will go down three centers this year!
Meef, I will not move to WES so don't move there please? Deal? (Also, you
don't want to vacate Tunis!)
Christian
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> We had a surprisingly good last season. I did not hear from Chris at all
> during last season. He is wanting to talk pretty badly now. I think I am
> gonna let him sweat until after winter adjustments before I reply.
>
> Austria trying to hold 3 fronts is costing him. Maybe he did not expect
> much pressure from the south?!?!
I think he counted on being able to break up the RT. It's an endless source
of frustration to him that he can't and that's probably our best reason for
continuing our alliance! We know that anything else but RT solidarity would
be in Austria's best interest.
> I would like us to get past the stalemate line around stp when feasible.
I
> do not see Austria and England being able to coordinate a defense against
us
> with all the bad blood between them. A breakout on the northern flank
seems
> to me the best way to victory.
>
> Thoughts?
I agree with you that I eventually have to build more fleets up north. I
was quite nervous about Christian's being in Norway (although he did ask
permission to retreat there) and I'm glad to see him moving off south. I
really think that ERT is committed to seeing Austria eliminated as a factor
in this game. We have to make sure that we're in position to control things
once he's gone.
My problem is the same as I had when Chris was bugging me about moving
north. I have to be able to build fleets fast enough that I can resist the
inevitable counterattack which Christian will launch. There's no point in
building a fleet when the only thing that will happen is me being forced to
pull into a defensive shell while England moves her massive navy north to
attack me. The way I see it, I have to wait until Austria is down to only
three units or so and I KNOW I will be able to continue to press an attack.
That will require a ready source of centres (hopefully Austrian home
centres) that I can count on. Let's work towards that end while continuing
to level Austria (VERY compatible objectives).
Cal
Message from Russia to England and Turkey in
'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia and
> Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> I guess you�re taking Rum and securing Bul by attacking yourself with
support?
>
> That means Chris will go down three centers this year!
>
> Meef, I will not move to WES so don't move there please? Deal? (Also, you
> don't want to vacate Tunis!)
Hi Christian! Many thanks for leaving St Pete's in Russian hands. The way
this game has gone, my paranoia nerve has been giving me a constant nervous
twitch. My wife is looking at me strangely these days...
Anyway, I think by our moves, we can all tell that the committment to
eliminating Austria is strong. We'll continue that and end the game the way
it should be ended (WITHOUT Chris! <g>)
Take care,
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
a slight change in my orders to keep tyn clear, not affecting u:
Turkey: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Army Bulgaria.
Turkey: Fleet Rome -> Tyrrhenian Sea.
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea -> Ionian Sea.
Turkey: Fleet Tunis -> Tyrrhenian Sea.
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Russian Army Sevastopol -> Rumania.
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Russian Army Sevastopol -> Rumania.
Meanwhile Christian asked for a dmz of wes, which i am agreeing to.
Meef
> Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> > Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
> >
> > We had a surprisingly good last season. I did not hear from Chris at all
> > during last season. He is wanting to talk pretty badly now. I
> think I am
> > gonna let him sweat until after winter adjustments before I reply.
> >
> > Austria trying to hold 3 fronts is costing him. Maybe he did not expect
> > much pressure from the south?!?!
>
> I think he counted on being able to break up the RT. It's an
> endless source
> of frustration to him that he can't and that's probably our best
> reason for
> continuing our alliance! We know that anything else but RT
> solidarity would
> be in Austria's best interest.
>
> > I would like us to get past the stalemate line around stp when feasible.
> I
> > do not see Austria and England being able to coordinate a
> defense against
> us
> > with all the bad blood between them. A breakout on the northern flank
> seems
> > to me the best way to victory.
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I agree with you that I eventually have to build more fleets up north. I
> was quite nervous about Christian's being in Norway (although he did ask
> permission to retreat there) and I'm glad to see him moving off south. I
> really think that ERT is committed to seeing Austria eliminated
> as a factor
> in this game. We have to make sure that we're in position to
> control things
> once he's gone.
>
> My problem is the same as I had when Chris was bugging me about moving
> north. I have to be able to build fleets fast enough that I can
> resist the
> inevitable counterattack which Christian will launch. There's no point in
> building a fleet when the only thing that will happen is me being
> forced to
> pull into a defensive shell while England moves her massive navy north to
> attack me. The way I see it, I have to wait until Austria is down to only
> three units or so and I KNOW I will be able to continue to press
> an attack.
> That will require a ready source of centres (hopefully Austrian home
> centres) that I can count on. Let's work towards that end while
> continuing
> to level Austria (VERY compatible objectives).
>
> Cal
>
Message from Turkey to England in 'ruffians':
Christian
No problem to dmz wes
Meef
>
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia and
> Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Hi Guys!
>
> I guess you�re taking Rum and securing Bul by attacking yourself
> with support?
>
> That means Chris will go down three centers this year!
>
> Meef, I will not move to WES so don't move there please? Deal? (Also, you
> don't want to vacate Tunis!)
>
> Christian
>
>
>
>
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> a slight change in my orders to keep tyn clear, not affecting u:
>
> Turkey: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Army Bulgaria.
> Turkey: Fleet Rome -> Tyrrhenian Sea.
> Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea -> Ionian Sea.
> Turkey: Fleet Tunis -> Tyrrhenian Sea.
> Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Russian Army Sevastopol -> Rumania.
> Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Russian Army Sevastopol -> Rumania.
>
> Meanwhile Christian asked for a dmz of wes, which i am agreeing to.
Message received. d;-})
Cal
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
This is possibly the most important letter I have written this entire game,
and I want to get this just right.
I say, Mikal, you seem to have violated the agreement we made, yet again.
One is begining to get the impression that one cannot trust a word you say!
I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
If you take Tunis, Rome, or Rumania from me this year, this game will end in
an English solo.
My removals will be Armies Kiel, Berlin, Munich, and Marsailles, followed by
the fleets in Piedmont and Tuscany, if Christian decides he doesn't need
them.
Those centers, plus Holland and Belgium, make 17. Do you really think
Christian can't take StPete if he wants it? Do you think you can STOP him
from taking any of these centers, if I am assisting him?
We can work together. You do understand that the only reason I attacked Cal
was because he was setting up to attack me. He never had any intention of
working against Christian, and has said as much to me. I have NOT lied to
you, nor have I done anything I said that I would not.
Frankly, I don't expect you to listen to this. You have had a bias against
me from the first moves you made, and some people just wont change plans, no
matter what. I am appaled that you haven't written in the last season.
This is a showcase game, and I feel you have a certain responsibility to
those who are going to be looking at this to play well. But on your head be
it.
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Dear Chris,
The reason I have not written u was I did not know what I should say. I've
lied to you every time I have written for several seasons in a row now and
really did not want to continue that trend. I am almost to the point of
believing I can survive if Russia were to die. Up until this point, I have
been and still am convinced, the death of Russia would lead to the death of
Turkey also. This year should change that.
As far as you throwing the game to England, I would hope that would not
happen since there is a lot of playing still ahead. Turkey has NEVER been a
respectable force in this contest until now and I would like for her to be
part of the final solution in the game.
I am finally out of my "hole" and want to continue to grow, working toward
some sort of a draw at the end of this game.
You have in your power to throw the game and I hope that will not be the
case. You have a tough diplomatic nut to crack here and I am looking
forward to see how to tackle the task at hand. Your reputation DEFINITLEY
proceeds you. Your name has been a hot topic recently in the w99 board,
speaking of your ftf tourney and email tourney performances.
Please bear in mind I am way out of my league in this game and am a student
at the feet of the great ones.
Thoughts?
Meef
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Mikal,
>
> This is possibly the most important letter I have written this
> entire game,
> and I want to get this just right.
>
>
> I say, Mikal, you seem to have violated the agreement we made, yet again.
> One is begining to get the impression that one cannot trust a
> word you say!
>
> I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
>
> If you take Tunis, Rome, or Rumania from me this year, this game
> will end in
> an English solo.
>
> My removals will be Armies Kiel, Berlin, Munich, and Marsailles,
> followed by
> the fleets in Piedmont and Tuscany, if Christian decides he doesn't need
> them.
>
> Those centers, plus Holland and Belgium, make 17. Do you really think
> Christian can't take StPete if he wants it? Do you think you can STOP him
> from taking any of these centers, if I am assisting him?
>
>
> We can work together. You do understand that the only reason I
> attacked Cal
> was because he was setting up to attack me. He never had any intention of
> working against Christian, and has said as much to me. I have NOT lied to
> you, nor have I done anything I said that I would not.
>
> Frankly, I don't expect you to listen to this. You have had a
> bias against
> me from the first moves you made, and some people just wont
> change plans, no
> matter what. I am appaled that you haven't written in the last season.
> This is a showcase game, and I feel you have a certain responsibility to
> those who are going to be looking at this to play well. But on
> your head be
> it.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Mikal,
I have had to wait until now to write --0- the baby during the day and work
until now. Sigh!
<< reason I have not written u was I did not know what I should say. I've
lied to you every time I have written for several seasons in a row now and
really did not want to continue that trend. >>
Ok, I understand not wanting to gratuitously lie again.
<<am almost to the point of
believing I can survive if Russia were to die. Up until this point, I have
been and still am convinced, the death of Russia would lead to the death of
Turkey also. This year should change that.>>
I understand your concerns -- between Cal, Roland(the italian) and myself,
Turkey has been stuffed until now. However, my statement remains true. If
you take ANY of Tunis, Rome, or Rumania this turn, or if Cal Builds, I will
throw this game to Christian.
<< far as you throwing the game to England, I would hope that would not
happen since there is a lot of playing still ahead. >>
Exactly as much play as you want to give it. I dont think I can be any
clearer, and I am not in the habit of throwing games -- but I have given you
far to much for ZERO return so far, and it ends right here.
<<You have a tough diplomatic nut to crack here and I am looking
forward to see how to tackle the task at hand. Your reputation DEFINITLEY
proceeds you. Your name has been a hot topic recently in the w99 board,
speaking of your ftf tourney and email tourney performances.>>
Hmmm, Thanks I think. I just was eliminated from my worldmasters board.
F2F i havent won a con since Dixiecon last year, and that i think, is the
only one I have won -- two years running, but I cant make it this year. I
think I am a stronger F2F player than Email, honestly. Same for Christian,
I think. What have people been saying?
<<ease bear in mind I am way out of my league in this game and am a student
at the feet of the great ones.>>
Hah! Tis to laugh. No one on this board is so good that they cant be beat.
<<houghts?
Meef>>
Let me re-iterate. This is the season you turn on Russia, or its all over
for Ruffians. I don't think it will take 2 years for Christian to take the
7 centers he needs for the win if I vacate Germany with the winter disbands.
Particularly as I will keep all my units on the Russian front, and he can
quickly send fleets through into the baltic. Plus, I will start giving him
tactical advice.
Dont lie to me at this point, really. What would be the point? If you
don't believe I'll do it, call my bluff, and take the dots. Rumania will be
supporting A Bul -> Sev, and Serbia supporting Rum. unless you tell me that
Ukraine is hitting Rum, in which case, I think you should support me in to
sev, and take Rum behind me -- that would be fine. So long as Cal loses
another unit this year, it doesn't matter. You can have Rum, Sev, and
Greece for the rest of the game as far as I am concerned -- the important
thing is you getting to Iberia with fleets. Take Tunis and Rome with the
units which will be following up.
I cannot do anything else to make your position secure. My fleets are on
land, on the other side of italy. I only have two armies in your vincinity,
and you have the perfect, uncuttable ability to hold the centers that they
are adjacent to. Turkey will not now be eliminated from the game -- but we
may all lose, except Christian, depending on the orders you submit this
year. It all hinges on you now, and you're playing with the big boys
weather you like it or not! ;) Seriously, your play has been good,
defensive, you stood by Cal when you needed to, took the loss of Greece to
get me off your back, and now are in MUCH better stead than any of the
players who had Turkey before you (and Cyrille was a world champ himself!)
You are doing fine, and I believe you will see that it is time for Cal to
go. He is no longer necessary for Turkish security, or to hold the north --
because I can now hold Munich against all comers.
Let me know what you think. Seriously, even if you are calling my "bluff",
put it on paper so that the world can see what you were thinking!
Best,
Chris
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal, thoughts?
Meef
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Mikal,
>
> I have had to wait until now to write --0- the baby during the
> day and work
> until now. Sigh!
>
> << reason I have not written u was I did not know what I should say. I've
> lied to you every time I have written for several seasons in a row now and
> really did not want to continue that trend. >>
>
>
> Ok, I understand not wanting to gratuitously lie again.
>
> <<am almost to the point of
> believing I can survive if Russia were to die. Up until this
> point, I have
> been and still am convinced, the death of Russia would lead to
> the death of
> Turkey also. This year should change that.>>
>
> I understand your concerns -- between Cal, Roland(the italian) and myself,
> Turkey has been stuffed until now. However, my statement remains
> true. If
> you take ANY of Tunis, Rome, or Rumania this turn, or if Cal
> Builds, I will
> throw this game to Christian.
>
> << far as you throwing the game to England, I would hope that would not
> happen since there is a lot of playing still ahead. >>
>
> Exactly as much play as you want to give it. I dont think I can be any
> clearer, and I am not in the habit of throwing games -- but I
> have given you
> far to much for ZERO return so far, and it ends right here.
>
> <<You have a tough diplomatic nut to crack here and I am looking
> forward to see how to tackle the task at hand. Your reputation DEFINITLEY
> proceeds you. Your name has been a hot topic recently in the w99 board,
> speaking of your ftf tourney and email tourney performances.>>
>
> Hmmm, Thanks I think. I just was eliminated from my worldmasters board.
> F2F i havent won a con since Dixiecon last year, and that i think, is the
> only one I have won -- two years running, but I cant make it this year. I
> think I am a stronger F2F player than Email, honestly. Same for
> Christian,
> I think. What have people been saying?
>
> <<ease bear in mind I am way out of my league in this game and am
> a student
> at the feet of the great ones.>>
>
> Hah! Tis to laugh. No one on this board is so good that they
> cant be beat.
>
> <<houghts?
>
> Meef>>
>
> Let me re-iterate. This is the season you turn on Russia, or its all over
> for Ruffians. I don't think it will take 2 years for Christian
> to take the
> 7 centers he needs for the win if I vacate Germany with the
> winter disbands.
> Particularly as I will keep all my units on the Russian front, and he can
> quickly send fleets through into the baltic. Plus, I will start
> giving him
> tactical advice.
>
> Dont lie to me at this point, really. What would be the point? If you
> don't believe I'll do it, call my bluff, and take the dots.
> Rumania will be
> supporting A Bul -> Sev, and Serbia supporting Rum. unless you
> tell me that
> Ukraine is hitting Rum, in which case, I think you should support me in to
> sev, and take Rum behind me -- that would be fine. So long as Cal loses
> another unit this year, it doesn't matter. You can have Rum, Sev, and
> Greece for the rest of the game as far as I am concerned -- the important
> thing is you getting to Iberia with fleets. Take Tunis and Rome with the
> units which will be following up.
>
> I cannot do anything else to make your position secure. My fleets are on
> land, on the other side of italy. I only have two armies in your
> vincinity,
> and you have the perfect, uncuttable ability to hold the centers that they
> are adjacent to. Turkey will not now be eliminated from the game
> -- but we
> may all lose, except Christian, depending on the orders you submit this
> year. It all hinges on you now, and you're playing with the big boys
> weather you like it or not! ;) Seriously, your play has been good,
> defensive, you stood by Cal when you needed to, took the loss of Greece to
> get me off your back, and now are in MUCH better stead than any of the
> players who had Turkey before you (and Cyrille was a world champ himself!)
> You are doing fine, and I believe you will see that it is time for Cal to
> go. He is no longer necessary for Turkish security, or to hold
> the north --
> because I can now hold Munich against all comers.
>
> Let me know what you think. Seriously, even if you are calling
> my "bluff",
> put it on paper so that the world can see what you were thinking!
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Cal, thoughts?
>
> Meef
Interesting letter from Chris. He has a point in that you probably could
survive without me at this point but where he is mistaken is in thinking
that he can throw the game to Christian. Even if he does remove all his
armies in Germany, Christian is unlikely to be able to take advantage of
them - at least not to the point of getting 18 centres. He is not going to
get Tunis and, if I'm around and growing, he will not get St Pete's. That
will preclude him from getting past 17 centres. It's ironic, but *I* have a
better chance of throwing the game to Christian because, while Chris can
give him more centres, I can give him the strategic (IE geographic) leverage
he needs to force that final 18th centre. The difference is, I'm not
threatening to do it.
Right now, Christian is very afraid of being perceived as a threat to go for
the solo. Certainly, he's thinking it, but he also feels that, if he moves
on the north and/or expands into the Med too quickly, then ART will drop
their differences and turn on him. I don't think he realizes the
unlikelihood of that happening, but it's the only thing that explains his
reluctance to move into the Med in force or, for that matter, attack me in
the north. Lord knows, he has the resources for it if he decides that's
what he wants.
I'd say, call Chris's bluff (probably better NOT to tell him though) and let
the chips fall where they may. We're still looking at no worse than a three
way and I think we can break across the stalemate line.
RT solidarity has worked well for us. Certainly, *I* need it more than you
do, but it's still going to be more profitable together than apart.
Comments?
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal,
I personally would rather see Christian win the game that I be bullied or
manipulated into stabbing someone. I am convinced Turkey's prosperity lies
in a good rt relationship. I am going to sit on my reply to Chris until
next week. Not real sure how to state a reply or even if I should reply. I
welcome any thoughts on the matter.
Meef
> Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> > Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
> >
> >
> > Cal, thoughts?
> >
> > Meef
>
> Interesting letter from Chris. He has a point in that you probably could
> survive without me at this point but where he is mistaken is in thinking
> that he can throw the game to Christian. Even if he does remove all his
> armies in Germany, Christian is unlikely to be able to take advantage of
> them - at least not to the point of getting 18 centres. He is
> not going to
> get Tunis and, if I'm around and growing, he will not get St Pete's. That
> will preclude him from getting past 17 centres. It's ironic, but
> *I* have a
> better chance of throwing the game to Christian because, while Chris can
> give him more centres, I can give him the strategic (IE
> geographic) leverage
> he needs to force that final 18th centre. The difference is, I'm not
> threatening to do it.
>
> Right now, Christian is very afraid of being perceived as a
> threat to go for
> the solo. Certainly, he's thinking it, but he also feels that,
> if he moves
> on the north and/or expands into the Med too quickly, then ART will drop
> their differences and turn on him. I don't think he realizes the
> unlikelihood of that happening, but it's the only thing that explains his
> reluctance to move into the Med in force or, for that matter, attack me in
> the north. Lord knows, he has the resources for it if he decides that's
> what he wants.
>
> I'd say, call Chris's bluff (probably better NOT to tell him
> though) and let
> the chips fall where they may. We're still looking at no worse
> than a three
> way and I think we can break across the stalemate line.
>
> RT solidarity has worked well for us. Certainly, *I* need it
> more than you
> do, but it's still going to be more profitable together than apart.
>
> Comments?
>
> Cal
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> I personally would rather see Christian win the game that I be bullied or
> manipulated into stabbing someone.
That's the way I approach the game too.
> I am convinced Turkey's prosperity lies
> in a good rt relationship. I am going to sit on my reply to Chris until
> next week. Not real sure how to state a reply or even if I should reply.
I
> welcome any thoughts on the matter.
He'll probably assume his "offer" has been rejected if you don't reply, but
unless you can think of something he's likely to believe (good luck), it's
probably beter to keep him guessing.
Cheers!
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Thanks for the input. You'se pros never cease to amaze a grasshopper such
as myself.
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> Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> > Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
> >
> > I personally would rather see Christian win the game that I be
> bullied or
> > manipulated into stabbing someone.
>
> That's the way I approach the game too.
>
> > I am convinced Turkey's prosperity lies
> > in a good rt relationship. I am going to sit on my reply to Chris until
> > next week. Not real sure how to state a reply or even if I
> should reply.
> I
> > welcome any thoughts on the matter.
>
> He'll probably assume his "offer" has been rejected if you don't
> reply, but
> unless you can think of something he's likely to believe (good luck), it's
> probably beter to keep him guessing.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Cal
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Thanks for the input. You'se pros never cease to amaze a grasshopper such
> as myself.
I'd STILL like to know who's getting paid for this and where my cut is...
<G>
Cal
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Dear Chris,
I do not think u r bluffing. I think u r gonna throw the game. SO i have
come up with and idea that may best suit your purposes (please, do not laugh
out loud and wake your baby :) )
Throw the game to Turkey.
That way all the champions are still champions. If some no name, no talent
gets beginner's luck, then everyone will dismiss it as a fluke and your
reputation remains undamaged. THe same would not be if Christian won, he
would be Champion of Champions.
What do u think about this idea? My fingers are crossed u will like it.
Meef (not been MiKaL in a long time)
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
'ruffians':
>
>
> Mikal,
>
> I have had to wait until now to write --0- the baby during the day and
work
> until now. Sigh!
>
> << reason I have not written u was I did not know what I should say. I've
> lied to you every time I have written for several seasons in a row now and
> really did not want to continue that trend. >>
>
>
> Ok, I understand not wanting to gratuitously lie again.
>
> <<am almost to the point of
> believing I can survive if Russia were to die. Up until this point, I
have
> been and still am convinced, the death of Russia would lead to the death
of
> Turkey also. This year should change that.>>
>
> I understand your concerns -- between Cal, Roland(the italian) and myself,
> Turkey has been stuffed until now. However, my statement remains true.
If
> you take ANY of Tunis, Rome, or Rumania this turn, or if Cal Builds, I
will
> throw this game to Christian.
>
> << far as you throwing the game to England, I would hope that would not
> happen since there is a lot of playing still ahead. >>
>
> Exactly as much play as you want to give it. I dont think I can be any
> clearer, and I am not in the habit of throwing games -- but I have given
you
> far to much for ZERO return so far, and it ends right here.
>
> <<You have a tough diplomatic nut to crack here and I am looking
> forward to see how to tackle the task at hand. Your reputation DEFINITLEY
> proceeds you. Your name has been a hot topic recently in the w99 board,
> speaking of your ftf tourney and email tourney performances.>>
>
> Hmmm, Thanks I think. I just was eliminated from my worldmasters board.
> F2F i havent won a con since Dixiecon last year, and that i think, is the
> only one I have won -- two years running, but I cant make it this year. I
> think I am a stronger F2F player than Email, honestly. Same for
Christian,
> I think. What have people been saying?
>
> <<ease bear in mind I am way out of my league in this game and am a
student
> at the feet of the great ones.>>
>
> Hah! Tis to laugh. No one on this board is so good that they cant be
beat.
>
> <<houghts?
>
> Meef>>
>
> Let me re-iterate. This is the season you turn on Russia, or its all over
> for Ruffians. I don't think it will take 2 years for Christian to take
the
> 7 centers he needs for the win if I vacate Germany with the winter
disbands.
> Particularly as I will keep all my units on the Russian front, and he can
> quickly send fleets through into the baltic. Plus, I will start giving
him
> tactical advice.
>
> Dont lie to me at this point, really. What would be the point? If you
> don't believe I'll do it, call my bluff, and take the dots. Rumania will
be
> supporting A Bul -> Sev, and Serbia supporting Rum. unless you tell me
that
> Ukraine is hitting Rum, in which case, I think you should support me in to
> sev, and take Rum behind me -- that would be fine. So long as Cal loses
> another unit this year, it doesn't matter. You can have Rum, Sev, and
> Greece for the rest of the game as far as I am concerned -- the important
> thing is you getting to Iberia with fleets. Take Tunis and Rome with the
> units which will be following up.
>
> I cannot do anything else to make your position secure. My fleets are on
> land, on the other side of italy. I only have two armies in your
vincinity,
> and you have the perfect, uncuttable ability to hold the centers that they
> are adjacent to. Turkey will not now be eliminated from the game -- but
we
> may all lose, except Christian, depending on the orders you submit this
> year. It all hinges on you now, and you're playing with the big boys
> weather you like it or not! ;) Seriously, your play has been good,
> defensive, you stood by Cal when you needed to, took the loss of Greece to
> get me off your back, and now are in MUCH better stead than any of the
> players who had Turkey before you (and Cyrille was a world champ himself!)
> You are doing fine, and I believe you will see that it is time for Cal to
> go. He is no longer necessary for Turkish security, or to hold the
north --
> because I can now hold Munich against all comers.
>
> Let me know what you think. Seriously, even if you are calling my
"bluff",
> put it on paper so that the world can see what you were thinking!
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Meef,
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Intruiging. I am willing to consider the possibility. I THINK England
could stop you from a solo, even with my help -- but it would be an
interesting excercise, and it would fulfill my requirements of Teaching Cal
a Lesson.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Two things: In order for me to commit to this, you must give me something.
Cal must die, and now.
How does this sound:
You support me into Sev. Take Tunis, but move Rome -> Naples. Follow me
into Rumania with the Army.
This will give you a foot in the door, access to my home centers, and ensure
that I can take Cal down. Next year, we could stage your stab of me. I
would leave Budapest open, or something.
But Cal Must Die, and Now. I like your idea -- it would suit me to a T to
have you continue to succeed where all other Turks have failed before you.
There would be a lot of play, and good play to be had in the future. But I
will not do it if Cal lives. Call it an irrational fixation on my part, but
there it is.
Thoughts?
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris, what is the godawful hatred u have against Cal? U r not letting
personal feelings get in the way of sound judgment are you? I know I am a
mere serf, but that is a bit
disconcerting.
Also, I DO NOT think this game be thrown to Turkey with the quick demise of
Russia.
Let cooler heads prevail and let US talk further about this matter.
Meef
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> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Meef,
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
>
> Intruiging. I am willing to consider the possibility. I THINK England
> could stop you from a solo, even with my help -- but it would be an
> interesting excercise, and it would fulfill my requirements of
> Teaching Cal
> a Lesson.
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
>
> Two things: In order for me to commit to this, you must give me
> something.
> Cal must die, and now.
>
> How does this sound:
>
> You support me into Sev. Take Tunis, but move Rome -> Naples. Follow me
> into Rumania with the Army.
>
> This will give you a foot in the door, access to my home centers,
> and ensure
> that I can take Cal down. Next year, we could stage your stab of me. I
> would leave Budapest open, or something.
>
> But Cal Must Die, and Now. I like your idea -- it would suit me to a T to
> have you continue to succeed where all other Turks have failed before you.
> There would be a lot of play, and good play to be had in the
> future. But I
> will not do it if Cal lives. Call it an irrational fixation on
> my part, but
> there it is.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Chris
>
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Meef,
What are you thinking then? I really have little beef with Christian -- we
have had so little to do with each other. Cal, otoh, has decided to work
against me, even though he knew I was essential to a draw.
So, basically, since you have (consistantly) NOT done what you have told me
you were going to do, I see no reason to help you rather than Christian,
unless you are willing to help me first. It will be a major coup for me if
you turn on Cal at this point, and that would be enough satisfaction for me.
Your point about "Champion of Champions" is well taken -- I have a big
enough target on my head without having one more label to work past. So,
there are two acceptable endings here, for me -- A draw, or someone else's
solo.
Either way, Cal has got to lose Sev this year, and not gain another center.
Otherwise, no deals, no bargains, nada, zip.
You want something from me, I want something from you -- I think we can do
buisness here, but it all depends on how badly you want from me -- I can
live with throwing the Game to Christian. You have come up with a viable
alternative, and that's great, but it'll have to start out on my terms, not
yours. After that, you can call the shots, afaic.
So, I will be moving to Sev from Rumania. If you support me in, and don't
take BOTH of Tunis and Rome, I will be willing to work with you to your
greater benefit -- and if Christian can't stop you, more power to you for
getting the solo -- I'll even let you take my centers, but that may not be
enough.
What 18 do you think you can take? 17 I can see easily enough, but 18
involves getting to and holding Munich, and that will be tough.
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris,
I WILL NOT solo w/ a stab of Russia this season. So how can we approach
this problem and leave Russia around long enough to make it happen. Can we
not speak of greys not just black and whites? This bad blood, can not this
breach be mended?
Meef
>
> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Meef,
>
> What are you thinking then? I really have little beef with
> Christian -- we
> have had so little to do with each other. Cal, otoh, has decided to work
> against me, even though he knew I was essential to a draw.
>
> So, basically, since you have (consistantly) NOT done what you
> have told me
> you were going to do, I see no reason to help you rather than Christian,
> unless you are willing to help me first. It will be a major coup
> for me if
> you turn on Cal at this point, and that would be enough
> satisfaction for me.
>
> Your point about "Champion of Champions" is well taken -- I have a big
> enough target on my head without having one more label to work past. So,
> there are two acceptable endings here, for me -- A draw, or someone else's
> solo.
>
> Either way, Cal has got to lose Sev this year, and not gain
> another center.
> Otherwise, no deals, no bargains, nada, zip.
>
> You want something from me, I want something from you -- I think we can do
> buisness here, but it all depends on how badly you want from me -- I can
> live with throwing the Game to Christian. You have come up with a viable
> alternative, and that's great, but it'll have to start out on my
> terms, not
> yours. After that, you can call the shots, afaic.
>
> So, I will be moving to Sev from Rumania. If you support me in, and don't
> take BOTH of Tunis and Rome, I will be willing to work with you to your
> greater benefit -- and if Christian can't stop you, more power to you for
> getting the solo -- I'll even let you take my centers, but that may not be
> enough.
>
> What 18 do you think you can take? 17 I can see easily enough, but 18
> involves getting to and holding Munich, and that will be tough.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Explain to me why not, and I'll listen.
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
There is no way to break the stalemate line from naf - stp w/o a northern
fleet and neither Austria or Turkey has that ability. W/o Russia the best
we can hope for is a draw, worst, English solo.
So we must be creative here and utilize the resources we have or an English
solo is most likely what will happen anyway whether u throw the game or not.
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> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Explain to me why not, and I'll listen.
>
> Chris
>
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
<<So we must be creative here and utilize the resources we have or an
English
solo is most likely what will happen anyway whether u throw the game or
not.>>
Meef, regardless of the truth or fiction of the need for Russia, this is
Simply NOT true. I hold Munich, and can continue to hold it against England
for EVER.
And have you forgotten that I am already across the stalemate line you
mention?
Its really simple.
Support me into Sev, or the game is Over, England wins. Anything beyond
that is beyond that.
Cal has already had his chance to build a northern fleet, and he blew
it.
crying baby -- otta run.
C
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Emperor Chris,
I guess we are at an impasse. I am glad I gotten to run with the big dogs
for at least a few seasons (thanks Rick is u r reading this). I have
learned a ton playing with u and I appreciate the conversations we have had.
Give Christian my congrats. I guess it is not really fair some upstart
replacement player win anyway since this is showcase for champs. Maybe I
will c u at a ftf tourney sometime or play in an email game from the
beginning where my hands have been tied from the beginning and has NO CHOICE
but to be on the other side of the trenches from you. Bless u in your
endeavors.
Sultan Meef
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> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> <<So we must be creative here and utilize the resources we have or an
> English
> solo is most likely what will happen anyway whether u throw the game or
> not.>>
>
> Meef, regardless of the truth or fiction of the need for Russia, this is
> Simply NOT true. I hold Munich, and can continue to hold it
> against England
> for EVER.
>
> And have you forgotten that I am already across the stalemate line you
> mention?
>
> Its really simple.
>
> Support me into Sev, or the game is Over, England wins. Anything beyond
> that is beyond that.
>
> Cal has already had his chance to build a northern fleet, and he blew
> it.
>
> crying baby -- otta run.
>
> C
>
>
>
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Meef,
Well, if that is the way it must be, then ok.
I am still curious -- why will you not play the game, and stab Cal?
Chris
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian
Prepare to catch! Turkey will not turn on Russia, so it looks REALLY good
for you!
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris, Cause I am giving away the only chance I have of victory in this
game. I believe we can work this out but stabbing Cal this season is
sealing my fate. The reason I have stabbed and lied 2 u since my first
message with u is not because I normally play that way but was the only way
to crawl out of the hole my 2 predecessors put me in. Working with Russia
up until this point and a little further into the future is the ONLY HOPE I
have had. I believe if u were honest with me, u would agree. See my
point!! It has NOTHING to do with personalities, it has EVERYTHING to do
with working out a workable plan. Several season back u challenged me with
a statement "give me a workable plan" and although I have not divulged all
my ideas, 2 things I came up with that point were:
1. Get out of this hole at whatever cost
2. Keep Russia around long enough to get on top of the situation.
Come on let us have some fun with this one. Help me beat all the champions
and I will go back into obscurity and u can retain you WELL DESERVED
reputation as champion.
By giving Christian the game now it will pitiful little stab of Cal. A much
more painful one could happen later, but it will take some patience. Good
things never come easy, but I believe you will be able to look back on this
game and relish the thoughts much more if you work with me and take the slow
course.
But either way, I have had fun playing with you. Bless u in your decision.
Meef
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> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> Meef,
>
> Well, if that is the way it must be, then ok.
>
> I am still curious -- why will you not play the game, and stab Cal?
>
> Chris
>
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
<<By giving Christian the game now it will pitiful little stab of Cal. >>
Not the point -- if you wont work with me, you will lose the game. Your
call!
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
I will loose, but not unexpected considering the position I started with.
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> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> <<By giving Christian the game now it will pitiful little stab of Cal. >>
>
> Not the point -- if you wont work with me, you will lose the game. Your
> call!
>
> Chris
>
>
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
>Christian
>
>Prepare to catch! Turkey will not turn on Russia, so it looks REALLY good
>for you!
Well, knowing you, I will regard this as a diplomatic trick...but, if you
throw something at me I will sure try to catch it (whether it be win or
defeat!) :)
Christian
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
I thought you might say that -- well, its easy to cop a plea when you didn't
start in a great position -- but everyone will know it was YOU who threw the
chance at a draw out the window, and no mistake!
Chris
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
I do not believe that. I believe I have a better chance at a draw with
Russia than Austria. BUT I believe I have a better chance for a victory
with Austria and Russia for a season. I believe I will have a big goose egg
stabbing Russia this season.
I do not understand why u will not move from this "kill Russia" or "throw
the game" stance. What is a couple of years gonna matter to Austria?
Unless u believe if I stab Russia, Austria can still solo. Hmm, let us
explore that thought, eh? I've been straight w/ u. Come clean! :)))
> -----Original Message-----
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> Message from [email protected] as Austria to Turkey in
> 'ruffians':
>
>
> I thought you might say that -- well, its easy to cop a plea when
> you didn't
> start in a great position -- but everyone will know it was YOU
> who threw the
> chance at a draw out the window, and no mistake!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
Message from Austria to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Whoops -- used singon. Doh!
Meef,
Hubris. It's my weakness. Pride. I try to keep it in check.
<<I do not believe that. I believe I have a better chance at a draw with
Russia than Austria. >>
I believe this is wrong. Please explain this to me.
If all you want is a season, why you may certainly have it.
I think I was pretty clear -- if you take Rome or Tunis, or Support Russia
into Rumania, I will pull my armies in Germany. If not, then not.
If you just want Russia for another season, then do none of the above.
I can't be more clear than that. I believe, and it is merely that, my
belief, that you can share a draw with me, or lose to an English solo.
A solo for me? That's the thing that really bites my butt. How could you
think that, after I have removed my fleets, and GIVEN you Naples, Tunis, and
Rome? I have deliberately crippled my chances at a solo -- all to make you
comfortable.
But you think a 4 center russia, without any units near England's, is more
likely to keep England from winning than ME? Please, please, please,
explain your thinking here, because I just dont see it. You didn't respond
to my point that I am across the NAf-StP stalemateline, either. What of
that?
At this point, however, my moves are in.
Chris
Broadcast message from England in
'ruffians':
And who are we waiting for this time?
Not me....:)
Christian
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
Well, It aint me neither!
I am also debating whether to make my intentions regarding this seasons
results public. Most of you know what I mean -- but you observers, hearken
to these results -- The Fate of the Game hinges on them. ;)
Chris
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
'ruffians':
>
>
> Well, It aint me neither!
Thought it might have been me, but I checked. It ain't.
> I am also debating whether to make my intentions regarding this seasons
> results public. Most of you know what I mean -- but you observers,
hearken
> to these results -- The Fate of the Game hinges on them. ;)
Oh, go ahead... d;-})
Cal
Retreats
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
Cal, Thoughts on builds?
Chris swears he is gonna throw the game to Christian since I would not obey
his edict of "stab Russia NOW". Oh well.
It was kinda funny. He ended up blaming me for him throwing the game to
Christian.
Meef
Message from Turkey to Austria in 'ruffians':
Chris I hope u have reconsidered the idea of throwing the game. Surely we
can work out a middle ground.
Meef.
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
No excuses for being late, guys. I just plain overlooked it. Sorry.
Paul
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris...as usual you were lying to me. :(
If you would please disband A Marseilles and A Ruhr. Then we could try to
stop Meef right away and take Hol+Bel while you and I are bouncing in Kiel
to prevent retreats. That would gives us a stalemate in the Med and
eliminating Paul. From there Cal and Meef can hardly argue against a four-way.
What do you think?
Christian
Message from England to Russia in
'ruffians':
Cal, I was just writing to assure myself that you are not building a fleet?
(well, you may of course build a fleet Sev if you want to...:))
all the best and damn! I want to take Paul out. Chris just keeps him
alive...argh!
Christian
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> Cal, Thoughts on builds?
I'm losing ount here, how many are you picking up? I think we have to give
serious thought to another army for you, if not to help wipe out Austria,
then for backup in Italy.
> Chris swears he is gonna throw the game to Christian since I would not
obey
> his edict of "stab Russia NOW". Oh well.
I don't think he has that power any more as it's pretty clear that we can
hold Tunis. We can also hold St Pete if I get another build or two.
> It was kinda funny. He ended up blaming me for him throwing the game to
> Christian.
Well, of course. He's not gonna blame himself andf his wayward knife, is
he? d;-})
Cal
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
Ladies and Gentlemen: It time to play
CALL MY BLUFF!
I include for your perusal, the text of a message from Austria to Turkey!:
<<Mikal,
This is possibly the most important letter I have written this entire game,
and I want to get this just right.
I say, Mikal, you seem to have violated the agreement we made, yet again.
One is begining to get the impression that one cannot trust a word you say!
I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
If you take Tunis, Rome, or Rumania from me this year, this game will end in
an English solo.
My removals will be Armies Kiel, Berlin, Munich, and Marsailles, followed by
the fleets in Piedmont and Tuscany, if Christian decides he doesn't need
them.
Those centers, plus Holland and Belgium, make 17. Do you really think
Christian can't take StPete if he wants it? Do you think you can STOP him
from taking any of these centers, if I am assisting him?
We can work together. You do understand that the only reason I attacked Cal
was because he was setting up to attack me. He never had any intention of
working against Christian, and has said as much to me. I have NOT lied to
you, nor have I done anything I said that I would not.
Frankly, I don't expect you to listen to this. You have had a bias against
me from the first moves you made, and some people just wont change plans, no
matter what. I am appaled that you haven't written in the last season.
This is a showcase game, and I feel you have a certain responsibility to
those who are going to be looking at this. But on your head be
it.>>
As Someone once said -- "Most solo's are thrown, not earned"
Here we go!
Chris
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen: It time to play
>
> CALL MY BLUFF!
>
> I include for your perusal, the text of a message from Austria to Turkey!:
>
> <<Mikal,
>
> This is possibly the most important letter I have written this entire game,
> and I want to get this just right.
>
>
> I say, Mikal, you seem to have violated the agreement we made, yet again.
> One is begining to get the impression that one cannot trust a word you say!
>
> I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
>
> If you take Tunis, Rome, or Rumania from me this year, this game will end in
> an English solo.
>
Perhaps he thought it was an "exclusive or" ? :) I mean, you didn't
lose "Tunis, Rome, or Rumania", you lost "Tunis, Rome AND Rumania." ??
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Rick Desper
Guy who got exactly the same score in World Email Championships as the
Mighty Chris Martin
^--- (my new .sig) :)
(Is anybody other than Meef doing well in that tourney from this
crowd?)
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
Perhaps he thought it was an "exclusive or" ? :) I mean, you didn't
lose "Tunis, Rome, or Rumania", you lost "Tunis, Rome AND Rumania." ??
>>
actually, I meant ANY one of the three of them -- but if you're going to
call someone's bluff, no point in half measures, is there? ;)
Chris
Adjustments
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
I am planning on pulling A Berlin and A Ruhr. Any other preferances?
Chris
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
'ruffians':
>
> I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
To quote that famous Philospher-King, Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get
What You Want..."
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
<<Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
'ruffians':
>
> I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
To quote that famous Philospher-King, Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get
What You Want...">>
"But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need!"
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> > Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
> 'ruffians':
> >
> > I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
>
> To quote that famous Philospher-King, Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get
> What You Want..."
>
"....but if you try sometimes... you get what you need!"
Hyork, hyork, hyork... this is a wild one. Lots of high level
dippin' all round. Get your bets down now on who's in and who's
out!
Jim-Bob
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
'ruffians':
>
> To quote that famous Philospher-King, Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get
> What You Want...">>
>
> "But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need!"
<smile> I KNEW you would respond with that! My answer is that we almost
certainly have differing opinions on what you NEED! d;-})
Cal
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
>
>
> <<Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> > Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
> 'ruffians':
> >
> > I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
>
> To quote that famous Philospher-King, Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get
> What You Want...">>
>
> "But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need!"
>
Satisfaction? A good reaction?
Rick
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
'ruffians':
>
> Those centers, plus Holland and Belgium, make 17. Do you really think
> Christian can't take StPete if he wants it? Do you think you can STOP him
> from taking any of these centers, if I am assisting him?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chris's math off? Christian will have to
take Tunis if he wants the win and I can't see that happening even WITH
Chris's help.
> We can work together. You do understand that the only reason I attacked
Cal
> was because he was setting up to attack me. He never had any intention of
> working against Christian, and has said as much to me. I have NOT lied to
> you, nor have I done anything I said that I would not.
Just so you know, I never did "admit as much" to him about not attacking
Christian. Obviously, he's right that I wanted to attack Austria first, but
remember what I told you about us needing fleets up north eventually?
> I am appaled that you haven't written in the last season.
> This is a showcase game, and I feel you have a certain responsibility to
> those who are going to be looking at this. But on your head be
> it.>>
For a guy threatening to pick up his toys and go home, this isn't a topic he
wants to return to too often... <g>
What do you think for builds? I'm wavering between A Mos & A Sev. What do
you figure for your builds? Same as last time (except with the fleet in
Smyrna)?
I'd say our prime goals right now are:
1) R/T sticking together;
2) Making sure Tunis is not put in danger;
3) Keeping an eye on England;
4) Taking Chris down as fast as possible so his ability to cause mischief is
limited by a lack of units.
Comments?
Cal
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Master in
'ruffians':
>
> Satisfaction? A good reaction?
What Chris really thinks he NEEDS is an "Emotional Rescue"...
Cal
signof
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
>
>
> <<Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> > Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
> 'ruffians':
> >
> > I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
>
> To quote that famous Philospher-King, Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get
> What You Want...">>
>
> "But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need!"
>
>
So is it that great minds think alike.... or is Chris just up the
creek without a paddle.....
Jim-Bob Boob
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
What I really need is some Sexual Healing, but that's another story . . .
;)
Chris
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
'ruffians':
>
>
> What I really need is some Sexual Healing, but that's another story . . .
>
> ;)
So all this knife thrusting you do is really from repressed urges? Hmmm...
That's DEFINITELY another story...
Cal
Broadcast message from Turkey in 'ruffians':
I just want to make it clear I DID have a counter proposal to Chris' "stab
Russia NOW or English solo" ultimatum. And I quote,
"Dear Chris,
I do not think u r bluffing. I think u r gonna throw the game. SO I have
come up with and idea that may best suit your purposes (please, do not laugh
out loud and wake your baby :) )
Throw the game to Turkey.
That way all the champions are still champions. If some no name, no talent
gets beginner's luck, then everyone will dismiss it as a fluke and your
reputation remains undamaged. The same would not be if Christian won, he
would be Champion of Champions.
What do u think about this idea? My fingers are crossed u will like it.
Meef"
So I fail to see what the big problem is. That is a VERY SOUND proposal.
Somebody enlighten a poor lost soul here. Come on, Chris, Rick, Cal, Paul,
Christian, former players, observers speak up, this new kid is here to grow
from this experience. What am I missing?
Meef
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
I think you should all try to throw the game to Paul instead of Meef
or Christian. That would be much more interesting to watch. But
don't let him take any home SCs back! He's got to get to 18 dots with
only the two fleets.
(Hmm...how long would that take? Could be an interesting puzzle. Or
perhaps the kind of stupid puzzle only a mathematician would be
interested in?)
Rick
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> So I fail to see what the big problem is. That is a VERY SOUND proposal.
> Somebody enlighten a poor lost soul here. Come on, Chris, Rick, Cal,
Paul,
> Christian, former players, observers speak up, this new kid is here to
grow
> from this experience. What am I missing?
Well, if we're going to worry about Chris & Christian's reputations, then
*I* have a sound proposal of my own!
Throw the game to Russia!
See, I've ALSO never won a World Championship, just a couple of Canadian
ones. So no reputations would be damaged!
Also, since this IS a demo game (as Chris likes to point out (although
that's not a point *I* would harp on when I'm about to throw the game)),
think of what conceding to Russia would do for future generations looking at
the game reports? They'd say, "Why in the world did they do that? Is there
something I'm not seeing?" Well, yes, there is! See, it would make us look
like Russian Grandmasters in chess, you know, the ones who make three moves
and lay down their Kings? Talk about a game for the ages!
So c'mon, whaddya think?
Cal
Broadcast message from France in 'ruffians':
> To quote that famous Philospher-King, Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get
> What You Want..."
I think that is Bob Dylan, at least insofar as lyricist (?)
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as France in 'ruffians':
>
> > To quote that famous Philospher-King, Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get
> > What You Want..."
>
> I think that is Bob Dylan, at least insofar as lyricist (?)
Never said Mick WROTE it, just quoted him. And there's no doubt he SAID
it...
Geez, these historians... <G>
Cal
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Master in 'ruffians':
>
>
> I think you should all try to throw the game to Paul instead of Meef
> or Christian. That would be much more interesting to watch. But
> don't let him take any home SCs back! He's got to get to 18 dots with
> only the two fleets.
>
> (Hmm...how long would that take? Could be an interesting puzzle. Or
> perhaps the kind of stupid puzzle only a mathematician would be
> interested in?)
>
> Rick
>
No, I think it is an interesting problem, but I was more interested
in the "real life" direction that I saw this all going. There could
be a LOT of play left in this game. Here are my current top of the
head percentage odds for outcomes (note my high probs for weird outcomes):
A win: 3%
E win: 9%
G win: 0% (sorry, Paul, and sorry for Rick's idea)
R win: 1%
T win: 2%
AEGRT: 5%
AGRT: 1%
AERT: 10%
AEGT: 9%
AEGR: 0%
EGRT: 7%
Any Three Way Draw: 40% (this is still low, but specifics too hard to lay
out at this point until we see if someone wins at this point or until
we see which player is eliminated next [ditto for the next one])
Any Two Way Draw: 13%
Jim-Bob Boob
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
Hey gang,
What point in threatening to throw if you aren't going to throw? I gave
Meef puh-lenty opps to prevent this -- We even discussed ways that he could
have the solo thrown to him. But he wouldn't make even one concession.
And, since he came into this position with the decision to fight Austria
(even though I was the one who gave him the chance to be in the game at all,
anyone remember his first spring as Turkey?) and hasn't let up on that
regardless of the numerous concessions I have made to him, its time to Teach
Him A Lesson, to wit
You can only push some people so far. I've reached my limit, and that's all
there is to it.
Jim-Bob, the only way England isn't going to solo is if he doesn't want to.
AFAIC, this game is all over but him taking those dots.
Chris
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
I stand behind my forecast predictions for the ultimate outcome of the
game. To say more would be to unduly inject myself into the Diplomacy
of this game, so I won't. Well, just two more statements ;-)
1) If you like I would raise the probability that Austria is eliminated
next..... ;-)
2) The first game in this series (ghods) ended in a thrown win, anyone
recall who threatened and followed through on that one? (blush) ;-)
Jim-Bob
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Hey gang,
>
> What point in threatening to throw if you aren't going to throw? I gave
> Meef puh-lenty opps to prevent this -- We even discussed ways that he could
> have the solo thrown to him. But he wouldn't make even one concession.
>
> And, since he came into this position with the decision to fight Austria
> (even though I was the one who gave him the chance to be in the game at all,
> anyone remember his first spring as Turkey?) and hasn't let up on that
> regardless of the numerous concessions I have made to him, its time to Teach
> Him A Lesson, to wit
>
> You can only push some people so far. I've reached my limit, and that's all
> there is to it.
>
> Jim-Bob, the only way England isn't going to solo is if he doesn't want to.
> AFAIC, this game is all over but him taking those dots.
>
> Chris
>
Broadcast message from France in 'ruffians':
> You can only push some people so far. I've reached my limit, and that's
all
> there is to it.
thank god he's not in a post office when he says this.!
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
I think Chris is gonna wind up looking pretty goofy. I agree totally w/
your priorities. I thought I would b a con, b f smy. Should be able to
take ser next year. We r only 4 sc's away from ensuring at least a draw.
E/A still have to finish off Germany and I do not know how well Christian
and Chris will jive. Chris likes to be in CONTROL and I do not know if u
can throw a game and still be in control.
This game has turned out pretty fun. Chris is one frustrated guy. Maybe
his play works well in ftf but email play is a lot different that ftf.
I broadcast part of what I said to Chris, giving him all these asinine
ideas. Playing w/ him a little. He kept playing hard ball. I played the
stupid newby.
O well
Let us grind him to powder. I would like to put him completely out of the
game. You will probably get to put the final bullet in his head.
Thoughts?
> Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
> > Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
> 'ruffians':
> >
> > Those centers, plus Holland and Belgium, make 17. Do you really think
> > Christian can't take StPete if he wants it? Do you think you
> can STOP him
> > from taking any of these centers, if I am assisting him?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chris's math off? Christian
> will have to
> take Tunis if he wants the win and I can't see that happening even WITH
> Chris's help.
>
> > We can work together. You do understand that the only reason I attacked
> Cal
> > was because he was setting up to attack me. He never had any
> intention of
> > working against Christian, and has said as much to me. I have
> NOT lied to
> > you, nor have I done anything I said that I would not.
>
> Just so you know, I never did "admit as much" to him about not attacking
> Christian. Obviously, he's right that I wanted to attack Austria
> first, but
> remember what I told you about us needing fleets up north eventually?
>
> > I am appaled that you haven't written in the last season.
> > This is a showcase game, and I feel you have a certain responsibility to
> > those who are going to be looking at this. But on your head be
> > it.>>
>
> For a guy threatening to pick up his toys and go home, this isn't
> a topic he
> wants to return to too often... <g>
>
> What do you think for builds? I'm wavering between A Mos & A
> Sev. What do
> you figure for your builds? Same as last time (except with the fleet in
> Smyrna)?
>
> I'd say our prime goals right now are:
>
> 1) R/T sticking together;
> 2) Making sure Tunis is not put in danger;
> 3) Keeping an eye on England;
> 4) Taking Chris down as fast as possible so his ability to cause
> mischief is
> limited by a lack of units.
>
> Comments?
>
> Cal
>
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Master in 'ruffians':
>
> >
> > Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
> >
> >
> > <<Broadcast message from [email protected] as Russia in 'ruffians':
> >
> > > Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in
> > 'ruffians':
> > >
> > > I want this game to end in a draw. England/Austria/Turkey.
> >
> > To quote that famous Philospher-King, Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get
> > What You Want...">>
> >
> > "But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need!"
> >
> Satisfaction? A good reaction?
>
> Rick
Hmm. I think that what Chris is suffering is more akin to a "Psychotic Reaction"!
Paul
Broadcast message from Germany in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Master in 'ruffians':
>
> I think you should all try to throw the game to Paul instead of Meef
> or Christian. That would be much more interesting to watch. But
> don't let him take any home SCs back! He's got to get to 18 dots with
> only the two fleets.
>
> (Hmm...how long would that take? Could be an interesting puzzle. Or
> perhaps the kind of stupid puzzle only a mathematician would be
> interested in?)
>
> Rick
Yikes! I did great in school, but math was always was sore suit. Does that
mean that I am sorely suited to win this game?
Paul
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
>I am planning on pulling A Berlin and A Ruhr. Any other preferances?
Works for me! :) But maybe Ruhr and Munich would be better?
Christian
Message from Russia to England and Turkey in
'ruffians':
>Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
>
>Jim-Bob, the only way England isn't going to solo is if he doesn't want to.
>AFAIC, this game is all over but him taking those dots.
Hi guys. I just thought we should get this game-throwing threat out in the
open.
Christian, quite frankly, Meef and I don't think you CAN solo, even with
Chris' help, but it could be awfully close and my gut instinct doesn't like
taking chances. Well, not those sort of chances anyway.
I guess I'm writing to find out if you're still onside with us and are
willing to call the game as a three-way once Chris and Paul are out. What
assurances (by that I mean tactics) are you willing to use to keep Meef and
I from feeling too nervous?
Looking forward to your reply.
Cal
Message from England to Russia and Turkey in 'ruffians':
Meef, Cal,
Chris writes long letters to me telling me he is throwing the game to me.
He says he�s disbanding armies in Berlin and Ruhr and that he will use his
fleets to stop you Meef. As I have said before, I am looking for a
three-way. I know that if the opportunity arises for me to have a solo I
will of course go for it, as would all good diplomacy-players.
To make sure this doesn't need to happen, I am willing to not move further
than you two allow me. I have said so before but none of you told me where
I might go and where I might not go so I just assumed my moves hence has
been OK.
I will build a new army in Edi as the army in Ruhr were disbanded. I need
those little armie to secure my continental centers.
I feel quite sure that Chris is actually going to try to throw the game to
me so we need to play it very careful. What could be more fun than this...:
1) Chris wants to win th game
2) Chris cannot win and therefore decides that another player should win.
Chris does his uttermost to achieve this.
3) This other player doesn't win solo and Chris once again doesn't get what
he wanted!! :)
Anyway, I will not move further into Med this turn and I will not convoy an
army to Nwy. I will move my fleet Ska to Sweden to be able to move to Bal
in the fall. I assume Meef will give centers of his own to Russia if I
should stab Russia to help you stalemate me.
Really, I am willing to obey your commands! Let me hear where you want me
and where you don't want me. I want Chris and Paul out, that�s it! I don't
know what more to tell you to make you two trust me enough. What do you
want me to say?
all the best
Christian
Message from England to France in
'ruffians':
So, this time it might be me gaining from the game-throwing? :)
What do you think? I assume you are allowed to talk to me as you are in the
game (sort of...)
Christian
Message from France to England in 'ruffians':
> So, this time it might be me gaining from the game-throwing? :)
>
> What do you think? I assume you are allowed to talk to me as you are in
the
> game (sort of...)
>
> Christian
well I sent an EOG to the GM in 1902 predicting England would get a solo out
of the deal :) So yes I hope you can do it. I'm fairly sure that there is no
problem with our continuing to talk even though I have no pieces. After all,
it is not a no-press game so everyone can talk with everyone :)
Or, do you mean you want me to look over the board and give an opinion as to
potential moves to do? I can do that too, if you would find it useful
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>I think Chris is gonna wind up looking pretty goofy. I agree totally w/
>your priorities. I thought I would b a con, b f smy. Should be able to
>take ser next year. We r only 4 sc's away from ensuring at least a draw.
>E/A still have to finish off Germany and I do not know how well Christian
>and Chris will jive. Chris likes to be in CONTROL and I do not know if u
>can throw a game and still be in control.
I agree with your builds. I just have to decide if A Sev or A Mos will be
better for our purposes. I'll decide when I get home tonight. Any
suggestions?
>This game has turned out pretty fun. Chris is one frustrated guy. Maybe
>his play works well in ftf but email play is a lot different that ftf.
Well, he's had some good results and is obviously a hell of a player. I
think he's just not used to the brand of stubbornness in this game... <g>
>I broadcast part of what I said to Chris, giving him all these asinine
>ideas. Playing w/ him a little. He kept playing hard ball. I played the
>stupid newby.
Loved the note you broadcast!
>O well
Life is tough, eh?
>Let us grind him to powder. I would like to put him completely out of the
>game. You will probably get to put the final bullet in his head.
>
>Thoughts?
Works for me. I want us to play this one right down to the final out.
Later,
Cal
Message from Russia to England and Turkey in
'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as England to Russia and
>Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
>I know that if the opportunity arises for me to have a solo I
>will of course go for it, as would all good diplomacy-players.
I'd be surprised if you did anything different. One of the reasons for the
letter I wrote was to put it in the open that we're ALL aware of that.
>To make sure this doesn't need to happen, I am willing to not move further
>than you two allow me. I have said so before but none of you told me where
>I might go and where I might not go so I just assumed my moves hence has
>been OK.
I think that if you keep your promise to stay out of the Med, we'll be okay.
Let's make the elimination of Austria our priority. You and I can split
the German home centres (once Chris is down far enough that I can get some
armies onto German soil) and Meef can take Austria down in the Med.
>I will build a new army in Edi as the army in Ruhr were disbanded. I need
>those little armie to secure my continental centers.
No problem. Obviously, the continued demilitarization of Scandinavia
remains on the agenda.
>I feel quite sure that Chris is actually going to try to throw the game to
>me so we need to play it very careful. What could be more fun than this...:
>
>1) Chris wants to win th game
>2) Chris cannot win and therefore decides that another player should win.
>Chris does his uttermost to achieve this.
>3) This other player doesn't win solo and Chris once again doesn't get what
>he wanted!! :)
Heh heh, that's the game plan all right!
>Anyway, I will not move further into Med this turn and I will not convoy an
>army to Nwy. I will move my fleet Ska to Sweden to be able to move to Bal
>in the fall. I assume Meef will give centers of his own to Russia if I
>should stab Russia to help you stalemate me.
Hmmm, as long as this isn't accompanied by an army in Norway, I can live
with that.
>Really, I am willing to obey your commands! Let me hear where you want me
>and where you don't want me. I want Chris and Paul out, that�s it! I don't
>know what more to tell you to make you two trust me enough. What do you
>want me to say?
Nothing more than you have said. I think the three of us are on the same
wavelength. Let's just go out and execute the plan as outlined.
Regards,
Cal
Broadcast message from Observer in 'ruffians':
> Diplomacy game 'ruffians' is waiting for Russia's orders.
> Diplomacy game 'ruffians' is waiting for Turkey's orders.
>
> These powers will be considered abandoned and free for takeover
> if orders are not received by Tue Mar 14 2000 08:55:33 PST.
>
Ooooh, if this lack of attention persists, I will have to INCREASE
my prediction on the probability of the English win outcome!!!
And no one ;-) wants THAT,
Jim-Bob
Broadcast message from Russia in 'ruffians':
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Observer in 'ruffians':
>
>
> > Diplomacy game 'ruffians' is waiting for Russia's orders.
> > Diplomacy game 'ruffians' is waiting for Turkey's orders.
> >
> > These powers will be considered abandoned and free for takeover
> > if orders are not received by Tue Mar 14 2000 08:55:33 PST.
> >
> Ooooh, if this lack of attention persists, I will have to INCREASE
> my prediction on the probability of the English win outcome!!!
>
> And no one ;-) wants THAT,
Well, England maybe... <G>
Seriously, I'm STILL having trouble geting used to what seem like lightning
quick deadlines for builds. No, Rick, I'm NOT complaining, it's just that
with the leisurely pace of the Spring and Fall deadlines, the Winter ones
have a tendency to sneak up on me.
Cal
(Who NOW has his builds in)
Death to Austria!
Broadcast message from Turkey in 'ruffians':
builds in