| Press for Spring of 1917 in ruffians |
Movement
Message from England to Russia and Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cal, Meef:
Here´s my moves:
A Edi-Nth-Hol
F Nth C A Edi-Nth-Hol
F Ska-Swe
A Den S A Hol-Kie
A Hol-Kie
A Ruh-Mun
A Bel-Bur
A Pic-Par
A Lon-Eng-MAO-Gas
F Eng C A Lon-Gas
F MAO C A Lon-Gas
F LYO S F WES
F WES hold
I will tell Chris something totally different, trying to get him not to
cover Mun/Kie. What I tell Chris will be something like convoyint to NWY
while supporting myself to NAf. If any of you guys want me to do other
moves than the ones I suggest above, let me know and I will change them (as
long as you don't suggest things like "give me all your centers" :))
all the best
Christian
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
Good to know we are friends...What will happen next?
Christian
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
Well, Meef, what do you think? Time to throw in the towel and make peac
with Chris if it's still possible? Christian's proposed move to Sweden
makes me think it's likely he's going to try for the win (not that there was
ever much of a doubt). I'm just wondering if it's worth trying to stop him
at this point.
Man, I expected so much more from a player of Chris's (alleged) calibre.
Cal
Message from Russia to England and Turkey in
'ruffians':
>Message from [email protected] as England to Russia and
>Turkey in 'ruffians':
>>F Ska-Swe
Why Sweden?
Cal
Message from England to Russia and Turkey in 'ruffians':
>Why Sweden?
Because Den S A Hol-Kie. If I do it the other way (Hol S A Den-Kie) I will
ahve to convoy to Den instead, and either way Den will not be empty for F
Ska. I Need the fleet to get into Bal next turn.
Christian
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
It is kinda a tough situation.
Chris appealed for another "stab Russia and we'll fight England together".
Giving me no other option. I think he hates u. :)
I hate being manipulated so as far as I am concerned, I'll let England win
before Austria is gonna dictate how I play. I know as soon as I stabbed u,
he'd stab me. Same ole', I am in control or else. He and I would never
make allies for long.
So with all that whining, I am not sure what to do. If Chris will make
peace w/ US, I'll deal, but he's not gonna force a division of r/t by
turkey.
So, I think we blew our chances last year. Me wasting Rom and poor commo
concerning Rum.
U just wanna roll over and let England have the solo?
Or just die a slow death?
I can suicide in an all out effort to kick Austria a little.
Any brainstorms?
Thoughts?
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> Message from [email protected] as Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Well, Meef, what do you think? Time to throw in the towel and make peac
> with Chris if it's still possible? Christian's proposed move to Sweden
> makes me think it's likely he's going to try for the win (not
> that there was
> ever much of a doubt). I'm just wondering if it's worth trying
> to stop him
> at this point.
>
> Man, I expected so much more from a player of Chris's (alleged) calibre.
>
> Cal
>
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> It is kinda a tough situation.
>
> Chris appealed for another "stab Russia and we'll fight England together".
> Giving me no other option. I think he hates u. :)
>
> I hate being manipulated so as far as I am concerned, I'll let England win
> before Austria is gonna dictate how I play. I know as soon as I stabbed
u,
> he'd stab me. Same ole', I am in control or else. He and I would never
> make allies for long.
>
> So with all that whining, I am not sure what to do. If Chris will make
> peace w/ US, I'll deal, but he's not gonna force a division of r/t by
> turkey.
>
> So, I think we blew our chances last year. Me wasting Rom and poor commo
> concerning Rum.
>
> U just wanna roll over and let England have the solo?
>
> Or just die a slow death?
>
> I can suicide in an all out effort to kick Austria a little.
>
> Any brainstorms?
>
> Thoughts?
I like the idea of kicking Austria as hard as possible. If it becomes
(more) obvious that Christian is guaranteed a solo, let's negotiate with him
to wait until Chris is eliminated first. I think he'll go for that.
Cal
Message from Russia to England and Turkey in
'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia and
> Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
>
> >Why Sweden?
> Because Den S A Hol-Kie. If I do it the other way (Hol S A Den-Kie) I will
> ahve to convoy to Den instead, and either way Den will not be empty for F
> Ska. I Need the fleet to get into Bal next turn.
Okay, makes sense to me. d;-})
Cal
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian --
Well, as to what happens now, it is really up to you. Tactically, this game
is a draw, and I would be happy with that.
Diplomatically, I am commited to throwing you the game, if you want it.
So, up to you! I would go and take StPete as well as the German centers
this year, if I were you. Russia is going to make a gain off of me this
year or next, so you;d better hurry if you dont want HIM preventing your
solo!
Best,
Chris
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Chris,
I very much want to win a solo. Don't we all? :)
OK, I am moving as you outlined, convoying to NWY this turn. It would be
good for me if you supported GAL to be sure that Russia doesn't move too
far west too early.
Trieste-Adriatci would also be nice. Maybe you can retreat Ser to Alb and
convoy to Apulia next turn?
Christian
Message from England to Austria in
'ruffians':
Ah, yes, supporting SIL would also be appreciated.
Christian
Message from England to Russia and Turkey in 'ruffians':
Cal, Meef,
This is what I think Chris is doing. Don't trust the info 100%, but I feel
quite certain.
A Bud-Gal
A Ser S F Tri-Alb
A Vie S A Bud-Gal
A Sil S A Gal-War
A Gal-War
A Ber-Pru
F Tri-Alb
F Rom S (E) LYO-TYR
A Ven S F Rom
Now here´s the thing...should I go for LYO-TYR to keep Chris happy or
should I show my cards and stick to the support to WES I told you earlier.
No doubt Meef can support TRN with two units and we stay happy. What do you
think Meef?
all the best
Christian
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
cal, i would like to coordinate some. We are busy but let's make a little
time to discuss options. I will quickly reply to any emails u send.
Meef
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 3:16 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Diplomacy notice: ruffians
>
>
> This Diplomacy Adjudicator sponsored by David Kovar.
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> Message from [email protected] as England to Russia and
> Turkey in 'ruffians':
>
>
> Cal, Meef,
>
> This is what I think Chris is doing. Don't trust the info 100%, but I feel
> quite certain.
>
> A Bud-Gal
> A Ser S F Tri-Alb
> A Vie S A Bud-Gal
> A Sil S A Gal-War
> A Gal-War
> A Ber-Pru
> F Tri-Alb
> F Rom S (E) LYO-TYR
> A Ven S F Rom
>
> Now here´s the thing...should I go for LYO-TYR to keep Chris happy or
> should I show my cards and stick to the support to WES I told you earlier.
> No doubt Meef can support TRN with two units and we stay happy.
> What do you
> think Meef?
>
> all the best
> Christian
>
Message from England to Russia and Turkey in 'ruffians':
Oh, sorry. I didn't realise we were so soon to to deadline. This means I
will stick to the original plan unless change is confirmed by Meef.
Christian
Message from England to England in
'ruffians':
Hej!
Testar lite.
enpress
press to e
hej igen
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
>
> cal, i would like to coordinate some. We are busy but let's make a
little
> time to discuss options. I will quickly reply to any emails u send.
Okay, here's what I think I'll be doing:
a pru-sil
a ukr-gal
a war s a ukr-gal
a rum s a ukr-gal
a lvn-pru
That's just a first take on tactics. I'm certainly open to suggestions.
It's a pretty hectic battle from here on in anyay with no one having a real
tactical advantage.
What do you think?
Cal
Message from Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
do u want f bla s rum?
Message from Turkey to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
I would rather u went w/ the first plan. Your creeping forward is scaring
me. How about us get on w/ the triple of aus and finish this one up.
:)
Meef
Message from Russia to Turkey in 'ruffians':
> Message from [email protected] as Turkey to Russia in 'ruffians':
>
> do u want f bla s rum?
Yes, please.
Cal
Message from England to Turkey in
'ruffians':
>Christian,
>
>I would rather u went w/ the first plan. Your creeping forward is scaring
>me. How about us get on w/ the triple of aus and finish this one up.
Sure, I'll stick toi the first plan. Sorry if I make you nervous. My
intentions are purely to eliminate Chris.
Christian
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
-- sorry gang -- I was waiting for winter in my mind!
Retreats
Message from Russia to England and Turkey in
'ruffians':
>Movement results for Spring of 1917. (ruffians.076)
>
>England: Army Denmark -> Sweden.
>England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Edinburgh -> Norway.
>England: Army Edinburgh -> North Sea -> Norway.
I can hardly say I'm surprised or that you didn't warn me, but I really,
really want to ask one favour.
Can you wait until after Chris is eliminated before grabbing the 18th? I
think that would make the most fitting end to this game.
Cal
Broadcast message from Austria in 'ruffians':
Well, that about does it. 17 this year, and 18 for sure next. (even if Cal
can defend StPete next year, nothing can stop me giving Christian Trieste.)
And, without even ONE item of press suggesting that I do such a thing, well,
there you are. In point of fact, I haven't recieved any press from R/T at
all! Oh, I take that back -- Meef is ready to accept a 4 way draw now. ;)
This has been a fun game all around. Cal, I want to say that I never wanted
you out of the draw, I wanted you to be stabbed by Turkey, because that was
the only way I was going to expand. I think maybe you took it personally
when you saw me say "I want a 3 way draw, A/T/E". The fact was, YOU weren't
going to work with me, and if Meef wasn't, then it was game over for me one
way or another.
Does anyone remember 1901? Christian lost the North Sea and didn't build.
(JOHN remembers 1901! Paul remembers 1902 ;) Quite a comeback for
Christian, and in the end I have to be happy with this result -- I told Meef
if he worked with me, we would both have a chance to profit, but if he
didn't we'd both lose -- Maybe I would have stabbed him successfully later
on, maybe not, but we'll not find that out THIS game.
Writing the EOG for this one is going to be a bear, but I can't wait for the
chance to read everyone elses press! One of the things I'd like to see, if
possible, would be the press sorted in files other than chronologically; or
possibly in addition to chronologically? I know that would probably be a
lot of work -- but (from a scholorly point of view) I'd rather read all of
Russia and Turkey's exchanges without having to wade through the other 5
powers press of the same phase.
Let get those fall moves in today, and put an end to this beast! ;)
Chris
Message from Austria to England in 'ruffians':
Christian,
As I say in my broadcast, I think you now have this sewn up tight. God I
love long convoys! Very nice.
So, take Berlin and Venice this year, and move to Finland -- If Cal is
convinced it's over, he may let you walk into StPete. I will re-take
Serbia, and in such a fasion that Cal can't take Bud or Serbia (thus, he
shouldn't build.) If Meef screws up at all I'll take Naples, and if you
will be so kind as to hit the Tyrhinian sea, I will at least keep Rome.
Congrats!
Chris
Broadcast message from Master in 'ruffians':
>
> Broadcast message from [email protected] as Austria in 'ruffians':
>
> Writing the EOG for this one is going to be a bear, but I can't wait for the
> chance to read everyone elses press! One of the things I'd like to see, if
> possible, would be the press sorted in files other than chronologically; or
> possibly in addition to chronologically? I know that would probably be a
> lot of work -- but (from a scholorly point of view) I'd rather read all of
> Russia and Turkey's exchanges without having to wade through the other 5
> powers press of the same phase.
First, let me say that there are over 2000 messages in my Ruffians
file. Some might just be deadline extensions or late notices, but the
vast majority are letters. Probably more than 1900.
If you look at the showcase games currently at the Pouch, you'll see
that press is color-coded. So, if you want to see any letter from
England, for example, you can quickly scan down the side looking for
blue. I don't think it will be that difficult except for the
occasional letter between England and Italy in Swedish. (I like the
idea of leaving these things untranslated.)
So...although it would be nice to provide you with a variety of
different formats to read the messages, given the incredible volume we
are talking about, well, it's only going to be in the format you see
at the Pouch. I think the color coding should be enough, if you have
a good browser with a reasonable scroll bar.
>
> Let get those fall moves in today, and put an end to this beast! ;)
>
> Chris
Non sequiter: who's going to WDC in Baltimore? I know Chris is going,
and hope Christian will make the trip to defend his title. Anybody
else? I realize it's still four months away but I'm in the process of
planning my entire summer and I'm curious.
Rick